<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">So nothing makes humans excited for more than one week. I guess we’re doomed.<div><br></div><div>SR Ballard<br><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jun 17, 2020, at 7:56 AM, John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:14 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>John, I am not talking of "a totally self-sufficient colony" on the<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>Moon or Mars,<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>not yet. I am perfectly OK with letting these things<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>take the time they must take.</i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">I am perfectly OK with waiting until the time is right, that is to say until we have the technology to make a extraterrestrial colony self-sufficient. People seriously interested in human space colonization should be pushing for a proof of concept, a self-sufficient colony in Antarctica would be a great prototype.</font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>I am talking of a small lab on the Moon, permanently occupied by<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>astronauts. Like an ISS on the Moon. </i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">That's exactly what I'm worried about<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">, it would be like a </span>ISS on the Moon<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> only even more horrendously expensive, a place where astronauts spend 80% of their time just making sure they stay alive and the other 20% performing science-fair level experiments that are never written up by Nature or Science or any top journal. What little scientific output that has come from the ISS has come from automated equipment that does not need the help of astronauts, like the </span>Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> and the Cold Atom Laboratory. Such instruments are on the ISS not because they need people to operate them but because they need lots of electrical power and the ISS with all its solar panels has lots of that, they only thing they need from the astronauts is for them to stay out of the way and not to touch anything.</span></font></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I am talking of the smallest and<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>least ambitious moonbase that we can build and operate with the money<br>
and the technology we have.</i></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">The ISS cost $150 billion to build and it costs $4 billion a year to keep operational, a permanent moon base would cost much more to build and if it was not self-sufficient it would cost vastly more to keep resupplied. </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I think re-igniting the human spirit is a top priority.</blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Such a moon base would make the ISS look cheap and would ignite the human spirit for about one week, but after that people would get tired of watching reruns and want something new. If you were willing to spend between 10 and 100 times as much as a Moon base cost you could have a Mars base, and that would buy you one additional week's worth of human spirit ignition. And then they'd get tired of watching that rerun too.</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">John K Clark</span></font></div></div>
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