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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark via extropy-chat<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 29, 2020 12:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><br><b>Cc:</b> John Clark <johnkclark@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> [ExI] The Japanese mystery: why so few COVID cases?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:34 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><i>> One wonders what Belgium did so wrong. </i><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>"Belgian officials say they are counting in a way that no other country in the world is currently doing…<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>I can think of at least one other country which counts that way:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/white-house-taking-very-liberal-approach-counting-covid-19-deaths">https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/white-house-taking-very-liberal-approach-counting-covid-19-deaths</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>>… counting deaths in hospitals and care homes, but including deaths in care homes that are suspected, not confirmed, as Covid-19 cases…<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>The USA did that too. Notice how difficult it is to find per capita covid death rates per capita. Nearly any site which provides that will include the caveat that counting methods count.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>>… According to Belgium's latest official figures, out of 7,703 deaths, 53% have been in care homes. </span></i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>[...]<i> Another factor is that many more people here put loved ones in care homes than elsewhere in Europe."<o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>We do that in the USA as well. Our elder-care death count is pretty similar to Belgium’s. New York’s is way worse than Belgium. NY’s elder-care policy was insane.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52491210">Coronavirus: Why so many people are dying in Belgium?</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>J<span class=gmaildefault>ohn K Clark<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Death rates shouldn’t be combined by country, they should be counted by jurisdiction. The US Federal government does not have much say in how states run their medical systems. The states should be counted separately because they are the level of jurisdiction on much of the covid policy. A US president has very little say in the matter.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>However… that method makes New York and New Jersey look really bad. Counting by jurisdiction, New York becomes the worst in the world.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>