<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:18.6667px">How very wrong you are, Spike. Everything, everything, everything is political to a politician, and if it isn't, they make it so by spin doctors. bill w</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:14pt"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span style="font-size:14pt">The pandemic is not an opportunity, it is a crisis. <font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font color="#888888"></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0px"><span style="font-size:14pt">spike</span></p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:03 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] you'll never see this again<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:45 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault"><i><span style="font-size:14pt">>> </span></i></span><i><span style="font-size:14pt"> I didn’t jump to anyone’s defense. Pointing out that POTUS has no jurisdiction in this case isn’t defending POTUS.</span></i><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">>…You're excusing POTUS's dereliction of duty…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">POTUS has no jurisdiction in how states run their response to the crisis.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">>…The virus has outsmarted Trump at every turn…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">POTUS has no jurisdiction in how states run their response to the crisis.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">>… So Trump is out of ideas, he's in way over his head…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Irrelevant. POTUS has no jurisdiction in how states run their response to the crisis.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">>…so he just throws up his hands and says there's nothing I can do…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">There is nothing he can do. POTUS has no jurisdiction in this. To do something is to seize dictatorial powers.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">None of that is defense of anyone at the national level.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">>…And for similar reasons Franklin Roosevelt said in a famous speech<span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault">:</span> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt">"</span></span><i><span style="font-size:14pt">Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 -- a date which will live in infamy -- the Territory of Hawaii was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan. I'm sure I speak for all Americans when I say I wish the Hawaiians the very best of luck in the <span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault">difficult </span>struggle they have before them<span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault">.</span></span></i><span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt">"<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Ja. Do you see the difference between a military attack by a foreign military and an attack by a virus? POTUS commands the military. POTUS can do that legally, but he military cannot shoot a virus. To do what it sounds like you expect would require POTUS to assume dictatorial powers, which POTUS cannot legally do.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt">> </span></span><i><span style="font-size:14pt">(Bill of Rights, Amendments 9 and 10.)</span></i><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">>…If what you say is true and the constitution renders the federal government powerless to protect its citizens from a global virus epidemic…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">YES! JA! John, you are right on with that comment. The United States of America is a collection of state governments working together for the common defense and the other things. The Fed can restrict international travel, but really not a lot beyond that. It cannot dictate to the states how they will run their business.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">>… as every<span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault"> </span>other advanced technological country in the world has managed to do then that is an admission that the constitution of the United States is a complete failure…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">No it is a complete success. Some states have been a complete failure, and I would point to New York.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">>… and is nothing but a worthless scrap of paper…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">On the contrary. It is a piece of paper which prevents the federal government from becoming a dictatorship.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">>… I think the current POTUS is worthless…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Well then, aren’t you glad POTUS doesn’t run the show?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">>… Protecting its citizens is the entire point of having a federal government…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">It does protect its citizens from foreign invaders. Virus protection is done at the state level, because states have a lot more resources available for raising funds than does the Federal government.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt">>></span></span><i><span style="font-size:14pt"> the pandemic is not a left-right issue,</span></i><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt">>…As long as </span></span><span style="font-size:14pt">Trump thinks…<span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault"> And respect for the truth has also become a left-right issue.</span> <span class="gmail-m_5866510060713632491gmaildefault">John K Clark<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">It doesn’t matter what POTUS thinks, for he is not a governor, and has no jurisdiction in how states run their business. This is not a defense of anyone, it is our legal system. To seize dictatorial powers in response to a crisis is to seize dictatorial powers.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Notice how I wrote all of that with no political content, none. Do ye likewise please. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">The pandemic is not an opportunity, it is a crisis. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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