<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><div dir="auto" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr"><div id="gmail-m_6158845341777031051AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Should a scientist’s personal views matter in regards to recognition of their scientific achievement?</span></div><div id="gmail-m_6158845341777031051AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div id="gmail-m_6158845341777031051AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div></div></div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"></span>It's the same question in baseball. One player of the Black Sox, so -called, was kicked out of baseball forever because he participated in some way about throwing games. But he batted a quite good average of .365 or something. Didn't matter.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Then there is Pete Rose. Certainly one of the greatest hitters of all time - top five. Bet on his own team while managing it. Will never get in the Hall of Fame.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Then there are some home run hitters who took steroids - and one very great pitcher. McGuire, Sasa, etc. Not even close in the Hall of Fame voting.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">So clearly the baseball writers, who have the votes, think the Hall should also be some sort of moral godfather and deny entrance on extra-baseball grounds.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Me? I would vote them in there. For the steroid guys I would put asterisks by their home run numbers to indicate that they cheated. Ironically, all of these guys would be in the Hall if they had never used steroids.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:34 AM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr">Should we stop honoring famous scientists and mathematicians because they were racist or supported things like eugenics?<div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/amid-protests-against-racism-scientists-move-strip-offensive-names-journals-prizes-and" target="_blank">https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/amid-protests-against-racism-scientists-move-strip-offensive-names-journals-prizes-and</a><br><br><div dir="ltr">“<span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory (CSHL) <a href="https://www.cshl.edu/cshl-trustees-vote-on-future-of-graduate-school/" style="box-sizing:inherit;text-decoration:none;font-weight:700" target="_blank">decided to change the naming of its graduate school</a> after Nobel Laureate James Watson because of his past racial comments.”</span></div></div><div id="gmail-m_6158845341777031051AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div id="gmail-m_6158845341777031051AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">“The current movement isn<span dir="RTL" style="box-sizing:inherit">’</span>t the first to target scientists whose actions were judged unconscionable by subsequent generations. After the fall of Nazi Germany, apartheid in South Africa, and various communist nations, the names of scientists who supported oppressive policies were stripped from institutions and awards. And even before the recent demonstrations against systemic racism in the United States, many scientists had lobbied universities and science groups to stop honoring prominent researchers who had bigoted views. In 2018, for instance, years of activism prompted the University of Michigan (UM), Ann Arbor, to remove the name of Clarence Cook Little, an influential 20th century geneticist who supported eugenics, from a science building and a transit hub.”</span></div><div id="gmail-m_6158845341777031051AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div id="gmail-m_6158845341777031051AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Should a scientist’s personal views matter in regards to recognition of their scientific achievement?</span></div><div id="gmail-m_6158845341777031051AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div id="gmail-m_6158845341777031051AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div>
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