<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I wonder if someone could get ahold of cell phone use data. I suspect that many of those kids are sending/receiving dozens, even hundreds of texts a day to experience the 'touch' of other kids. ("Reach out and touch someone." was a great advertising idea)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">As for the kids in bars and dance halls (there's an old phrase) you have to wonder if they have seen the news about the virus affecting nearly everyone at some bar or family reunion (one boy had it and gave it to 18 of his relatives). Maybe they have, and still have the 'can't happen to me - I am invincible' type of youngster.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Spike - keep 'em out. Save lives. A few will take the virus home and kill older relatives - absolutely no doubt of this. There is NO critical period in youth where they have to learn social skills or they never will learn them. It may be nerve-wracking to them, but they will survive - esp if they have cell phones. (not contradicting you here, Henry). </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">In less serious news. MIssissippi's governor signed a bill to make the whole state wet, validating the amendment (still local option, though - have to vote to get wet; but at least they can)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"> bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:34 PM Henry Rivera via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">The kids who desperately need the social interaction are ones who tend to only get social interaction at school and within their homes. They don’t “socialize” online much like their peers, and they don’t seek out social opportunities. Forced socializing at school by virtue of participating in work groups, lunch, and answering their teachers is their only practical hope for this crucial part of their development. These kids even not in a pandemic would not be socializing with others if they could help it, and in a pandemic it’s all to easy for them to avoid and stay isolated with little opportunity for any alternative. Many have regressed socially at this time I imagine. Video learning for them may be an option for academic competencies, but it isn’t addressing their social development needs. </div><div dir="ltr">-Henry </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 4, 2020, at 12:25 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The data here is from the county where I live, Santa Clara CA. Check out these two graphs, about a third of the way down the page, to estimate the lag time between new case detection and death rate:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/santa-clara-county/" target="_blank">https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/santa-clara-county/</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">If you look at the initial surge, it kinda looks like there was a big surge around late March. But the big surge in death per day was about almost middle of April.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">With the partial re-opening of some businesses (and the unfortunate coincident timing of the rallies and riots complicating the picture) we will perhaps get some indication of what is going on. Our current rate shows that covid is killing about half a prole a day in this county of about 2 million. The rate appears to be declining gradually, but with these numbers it is hard to tell for sure. So now we see what happens in about a week.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I am focused on this data because of my role in a volunteer committee regarding public school opening. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I tend to be a bit over on the cautious side. I also realize I am a parent of a student who does just fine with video and distance learning. But I know of those students who do not. I am told there are some students who desperately need social interaction (nearly every day (for mental health reasons (indeed? (why?)))) and that video learning is practically useless to them. Well, ok then. I believes it but I doesn’t understands it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">On the other hand… people to go bars and restaurants and gun shops by choice. People even go to grocery stores by choice. But public school students are compelled to attend. So… I hold my position: when in doubt, hold em out.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Anyone here who wishes to offer suggestions, particularly the insighty types, BillW, SR, anyone else who has public school experience, I am all ears. We hafta wait for about a week or two, to see where the case rate and death rate goes, but at this point I am compelled to say we can’t let the proles back on campus the entire first semester. I plan to use my committee member vote to recommend we not open in September. Too much risk of asymptomatic students carrying the virus home and killing grandma.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>extropy-chat mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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