<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-indent:0.5in">Eschew taking extremist views. There is too much risk of realizing someday that you have invested most of your life fighting passionately for the wrong side.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">spike</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">I don't think that any of us can understand the fervor of these people. They have to go all out or they will punish themselves for wimpy efforts. In other words, they are driven to extreme positions. Why didn't some of the people who were burned at the stake recant and live longer? Because they could not live with themselves if they did that. I feel quite sure that that was the case with Giordano Bruno. bill w</p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 10:44 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-4014997472428855124WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Excellent post BillW. I will leave it all in there without trimming a word of it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I have long suspected extremists in anything are a mixture of people struggling to talk themselves out of their own self-doubt, plus false flaggers, plus people who just like taking some extreme position.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">My view on it is this (free spike-ism (you’re welcome.)):<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:0.5in">Eschew taking extremist views. There is too much risk of realizing someday that you have invested most of your life fighting passionately for the wrong side.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 5, 2020 8:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [ExI] fanaticism, more<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Fanaticism is said to have many sociological roots, and you can find those all over the web. But I didn’t find much on psychological causes, so here’s a few thoughts:</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The obsessive is capable of making very fine distinctions. One book about it features a man who discovers he is 1/32 Negroid and he is subsequently ostracized. (Kingblood Royal -Sinclair Lewis). This will also make the person a bit of a purist - things just have to be a certain way and even slight deviations from it are not permitted.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">If you pair this with paranoia, then deviations can be imagined rather than real. Anything slightly indicative becomes a certainty. If you pair those with religious content, you get a person who will try to make others believe and act the same as him, even if they have to be forced, like Islamists and Christians did a few centuries ago. Or just killed.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">A recent study of people who were extremely antihomosexual were found to have unconscious tendencies to it themselves, just as many people imagined that they did.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">A further factor is overcompensation and reaction formation: if you are a latent homosexual but do not realize it you are very likely to be a powerful, even violent antihomosexual. The inner feelings have to be powerfully defended against by conscious feelings of the opposite (which is often called reaction formation).</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">So many fanatics are not what they think they are. If religious, then the strong doubts about the validity of the religion have to be powerfully opposed by the conscious opposites. Does this mean that some of the people ranting about racism are unconscious racists? Of course it does.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">bill w</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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