<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.gmaildefault
{mso-style-name:gmail_default;}
span.EmailStyle19
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Famous Scientists saying Racist Things<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:22 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>>… </span></span><i>A long time ago, I was told of a particularly savage form of execution reserved for bad guys who did things like raping and murdering a child…</i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>>…The real life inspiration for the Dra</span><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>c</span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>ula myth </span><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>, </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Vlad the Impaler </span><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> (1428-1477), once impaled 20,000 Men women and children at the same time according to contemporary witnesses:</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>…"</span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>The sultan's army entered into the area of the impalements, which was seventeen stades long and seven stades wide…</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://Vlad%20the%20Impaler"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Vlad the Impaler</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>John K Clark<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Owww damn.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The capacity of humanity for inhumanity is astonishing. But I have a reason for hope.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>As recently as the middle of the last century, mass starvation was a very real threat in some places. Now it really isn’t, or it isn’t a huge threat. Keith’s model of the bleak future leading to war makes us stop and think: how grim does the future need to be in order to compel a society to go to war? If starvation is not a threat at all, immediate exposure to lethal elements are not a threat, but the other guy has better basketball shoes and somehow ended up with a rolex watch, is that sufficiently grim to risk everything?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think it isn’t. I can envision people having to travel a long distance to get supplies in Chicago’s food deserts, but not actually starving there. They may pull down statues and paint graffiti, but stop short of armed resistance for the most part. Evolutionary psychology might suggest our real troubles will not happen so long as people have the necessities of life.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>