<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">A pale is a wooden or iron stake put up around some place to protect it. The fence is called a palisade. So 'beyond the pale' means outside of us - foreign, unwanted, dangerous etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 10:09 AM Robert G. Kennedy III, PE via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It's a Russian Jewish thing from the Tsarist era. With a uppercase "P". <br>
Related to persecution / pogroms. If your question wasn't rhetorical, <br>
maybe you don't want to know? If you do want to, look up "Pale of <br>
Settlement" established by Catherine the "Great".<br>
<br>
You'd be surprised/depressed at how many common expressions have their <br>
roots in racism, repression and persecution. I never use "beyond the <br>
pale" for this reason. To avoid such mistakes and short circuits in <br>
thinking, I am always guided by George Orwell's wonderful essay, <br>
"Politics and the English Language".<br>
<br>
K3<br>
<br>
On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:13:07 -0500, William Flynn Wallace <br>
<<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Message: 9<br>
> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:13:07 -0500<br>
> From: William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] Famous Scientists saying Racist Things.<br>
> <br>
[snip]<br>
> well, that's well beyond the pale (and who knows the<br>
> meaning of 'pale'?)<br>
> <br>
> bill w<br>
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