<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">The tribes tend to think of the group as one organism, like an</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">ant colony in a way, a group of individuals but the organism being all,</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">holism vs reductionism.</span><font color="#888888" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br><br>spike very Oriental thinking - bill w</font><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:51 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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> On Behalf Of Keith Henson via extropy-chat<br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] order of the arrow<br>
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>...Spike, there is a straightforward way to satisfy everyone's concerns<br>
about "cultural appropriation."<br>
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It would hardly be appropriate for anyone to bitch about the "order of the<br>
arrow" for a boy scout troop who were native americans or had been adopted<br>
into a native tribe even as honorary members.<br>
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As far as I know all the tribes had adoption procedures. There were<br>
hundreds to thousands of such cases where Europenas were adopted into<br>
tribes, not to mention the large number of women who were simply kidnapped<br>
into the tribes.<br>
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It would take considerable effort to work out the details, but the proposal<br>
would be for the boy scouts to be adopted into a tribe or tribes.<br>
<br>
Keith<br>
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Hi Keith, <br>
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This has already been done: the Muckleshoot tribe near Enumclaw Washington<br>
adopted Boy Scouts of America in the 1970s. There was a ceremony and<br>
everything. This led to even more controversy, for this was before DNA<br>
tests, so it was unclear if the Muckleshoot Chief was more descended from<br>
the Duwamish and Puyallup people or was more... Greek. Hmmm. OK, well does<br>
it matter? Why? The recent go-around with the politician claiming to be<br>
Native American, then doing a DNA test demonstrating otherwise reminded us<br>
that in some tribes even being 100% Cherokee by DNA doesn't make one a<br>
member of the tribe. Being far less that 100% by DNA doesn't preclude<br>
becoming a member of the tribe.<br>
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In any case, the Muckleshoot now has (or is it Muckleshoots have?) a casino<br>
which supplies the needed funding, so I don't know if their adoption of<br>
Scouts would still be valid (I don't know if we kept up the payments.) I<br>
might have accidentally discovered an insight with that parenthetical<br>
inquiry in the previous comment. We moderns tend to think of people as<br>
individuals. The tribes tend to think of the group as one organism, like an<br>
ant colony in a way, a group of individuals but the organism being all,<br>
holism vs reductionism.<br>
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spike <br>
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