<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Spike, what you are saying is simply not true. <div><br></div><div>My state legislature (Texas) passed a law that says if there is a declared emergency, any executive order the governor makes, related to that emergency, has the full force of a law.</div><div><br></div><div>Your state likely has a similar law. </div><div><br></div><div>I checked, and in fact it does.</div><div><br></div><div>> <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">In turning to the statutes, we need to look at the California Emergency Services Act, which is found in the Government Code. Title 2 of the Government Code deals with the Government of the State of California. Division 1, Chapter 7 sets forth the California Emergency Services Act, which is found in Sections 8550 – 8669.7. In addition, Article 3 of Chapter 7 provides for Powers of the Governor, which are contained in Sections 8565 – 8899.72.</span></div><div><br></div><div>Executive orders have the full force of law</div><div>> <strong style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">8567. (a) The Governor may make, amend, and rescind orders and regulations necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter. The orders and regulations shall have the force and effect of law. Due consideration shall be given to the plans of the federal government in preparing the orders and regulations. The Governor shall cause widespread publicity and notice to be given to all such orders and regulations, or amendments or rescissions thereof.</strong><br><br><div dir="ltr">When the emergency is over, the orders expire</div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">(b) Orders and regulations, or amendments or rescissions thereof, issued during a state of war emergency or state of emergency shall be in writing and shall take effect immediately upon their issuance. Whenever the state of war emergency or state of emergency has been terminated, the orders and regulations shall be of no further force or effect.</span></div><div><span style="caret-color: rgb(101, 101, 101); color: rgb(101, 101, 101); font-family: "Titillium Web"; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;"><br></span></div><div><span style="caret-color: rgb(101, 101, 101); color: rgb(101, 101, 101); font-family: "Titillium Web"; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">The governor can send the police to enforce his orders</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"> ><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">8627. During a state of emergency the Governor shall, to the extent he deems necessary, have complete authority over all agencies of the state government and the right to exercise within the area designated all police power vested in the state by the Constitution and laws of the State of California in order to effectuate the purposes of this chapter. In exercise thereof, he shall promulgate, issue, and enforce such orders and regulations as he deems necessary, in accordance with the provisions of Section 8567.</strong></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">So in conclusion:</div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The Governor may make [...] regulations </strong></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The [...] regulations shall have the force and effect of law.</strong></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">regulations, [...] shall take effect immediately upon their issuance.</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Governor shall [...] have complete authority over all agencies of the state government </strong><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">and the right to exercise within the area designated all police power</strong></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jul 15, 2020, at 1:18 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">If states want to do make rules on giving themselves the authority to make people wear masks and so on, then states need to write that into their constitutions and have their legislatures vote on them. None of that has happened.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…I don’t know how your local laws work but I assume people can be fined by local authorities for relatively harmless things such as not picking up their dog’s poop, so why would fining people for not wearing a mask be more difficult to implement?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Stathis Papaioannou<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">City governments do have a lot of leeway on what laws they pass. Ours never did. The state governor issue orders, but those do not apply to us unless there is an actual law that we are required to wear masks, which there are not. Meanwhile, I don’t bother blaming the California governor for his actions when he has insufficient authority to stop the surge in infections.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Legislatures make law. Executive branches can only guide enforcement on how to enforce laws that exist. The Fed can declare martial law, which it has not done. The state can declare a public health emergency which enables the governor to direct some additional funding. Businesses can require patrons wear a mask, which they are doing. There is no known law or enforcement mechanism for the governor to require masks. Some do, some do not.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Stathis the real point of all this is that we get it: face masks indoors makes sense. Handing government arbitrary power in response to a crisis does not. So we don’t. It really is that simple.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>extropy-chat mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>