<div dir="ltr"><div>I'm not talking about religion. I didn't mention religion. I mentioned a philosophical viewpoint, theism, which will grow in accord with science as we discover more about our reality. All the saints and miracles and fake heavens and hells can shove it for all I care. Science is germane to theism, as science reveals the truth.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 2:25 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">At some point, in my opinion, atheism will be seen, by scientists and the academic community, as a ridiculous and antiquated viewpoint. will</div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Not unless they change the epistemology of science. A far better bet is when the geneticists manage to eliminate superstitious behavior and false correlation, religion as we know it will entirely disappear. bill w</font></div></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;outline:none;padding:10px 0px;width:22px;margin:2px 0px 0px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:14 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I understand what Giulio means. I think there is a strain in modern A for Atheism that sort of acts like we have the whole universe figured out. This lack of mystery or wonder then leads to ennui.<div><br></div><div>Theism and agnosticism are approaching one another, especially with the singularity and simulation arguments, and as we learn more about unknown aspects of the universe. At some point, in my opinion, atheism will be seen, by scientists and the academic community, as a ridiculous and antiquated viewpoint.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:48 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Consoled? They want advice of the most serious kind. That is what we have been discussing: just what principles do we have that supplant the ones we originally got (most of us) from religion. What are you going to say to them? The secular humanists are a good start as are the extropians Spike mentioned. And you can go a long way with the Golden Rule (no, people, don't tell me the exceptions we all know about). Also, I see in the news a movement trying to get a monument to the Bill of Rights on the Mall in D.C. Support that if you can. Bill of R is a good start for principles,mostly of the rationalist kind. I also think the UN has something like a bill of rights. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:13 AM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">When my grandpa dies, considering my uncle died last week, and someone tells me, “I feel so sorry for you.” I wouldn’t see that as patronizing. In the beforetimes it would probably be accompanied by a hug, which I don’t normally care for. <div><br></div><div>Context makes it patronizing or not.</div><div><br></div><div>If someone comes to you and says something like, “I’m an athiest and very happy with my life”, then of course it is patronizing. But at the same time if someone says something like, “I don’t believe in God anymore, how am I going to live my life?” Well, that’s different and they probably want to be consoled.<br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Aug 3, 2020, at 6:48 AM, John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:19 AM Dave Sill via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>></span> <i>I didn’t say anything negative about atheists. I said that I think they are sad, and therefore I feel sorry for them.</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>That's patronizing.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Regardless of the subject it's ALWAYS patronizing when somebody says "I feel so sorry for you", it's hypocritical too because hearing such a statement never makes anybody feel better, and it isn't said to express compassion it's said to express contempt.</font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div></div></div>
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