<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Consoled? They want advice of the most serious kind. That is what we have been discussing: just what principles do we have that supplant the ones we originally got (most of us) from religion. What are you going to say to them? The secular humanists are a good start as are the extropians Spike mentioned. And you can go a long way with the Golden Rule (no, people, don't tell me the exceptions we all know about). Also, I see in the news a movement trying to get a monument to the Bill of Rights on the Mall in D.C. Support that if you can. Bill of R is a good start for principles,mostly of the rationalist kind.  I also think the UN has something like a bill of rights. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:13 AM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">When my grandpa dies, considering my uncle died last week, and someone tells me, “I feel so sorry for you.†I wouldn’t see that as patronizing. In the beforetimes it would probably be accompanied by a hug, which I don’t normally care for. <div><br></div><div>Context makes it patronizing or not.</div><div><br></div><div>If someone comes to you and says something like, “I’m an athiest and very happy with my lifeâ€, then of course it is patronizing. But at the same time if someone says something like, “I don’t believe in God anymore, how am I going to live my life?†Well, that’s different and they probably want to be consoled.<br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Aug 3, 2020, at 6:48 AM, John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:19 AM Dave Sill via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>></span> <i>I didn’t say anything negative about atheists. I said that I think they are sad, and therefore I feel sorry for them.</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>That's patronizing.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Regardless of the subject it's ALWAYS patronizing when somebody says "I feel so sorry for you", it's hypocritical too because hearing such a statement never makes anybody feel better, and it isn't said to express compassion it's said to express contempt.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div></div></div>
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