<div dir="ltr">Tough question, but it's easy for me to say I don't believe we should do this with the flu! If we did, I'm relatively confident there would be no economy left to speak of. Some level of risk is unavoidable in living a life including driving a car, getting on a train or plane, etc. We can't stay in our boltholes 24/7. <div><br></div><div>I would certainly not have knowingly put a policy into place like Cuomo (and others) did that ensured a large number of deaths in nursing homes where it spread like wildfire. It was known very early on how the demographics skew in terms of age and death. This policy is directly responsible for a very significant percentage of the deaths in NY.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm in favor of frequent handwashing, social distancing/minimizing large scale gatherings, and potentially masks although I am very skeptical of cloth ones in terms of efficacy.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not in favor of keeping schools closed in areas that are not current hotspots, or state governments arbitrarily deciding which businesses can stay open and which ones need to be closed.</div><div><br></div><div>I think we should do what we can to help protect elderly and at risk populations, but there is no way we can keep everything locked down depending on a vaccine to arrive (that might never be effective) based on the low IFR for the majority of the working population.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:11 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Well Dylan, what would you do? Maybe we should have done this with the flu. How do you come up with an equation or something that balances economic loss with loss of life? How much is a life worth? Of course if we all stayed indoors no one would die of a lightning strike, eh? bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:50 PM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Well, I realize I am not following the reply instructions since I do not agree with John, but I'll mention again that the IFR for CV-19 in general doesn't warrant the amount of economic damage that has been done here, and that the IFR in non-elderly/non-serious preexisting conditions community is extremely low. I still have seen zero evidence that this is much worse than the flu from a fatality rate standpoint in anyone who is healthy and under 60.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:30 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Please respond to this email if you agree with John:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">every epidemiologist and statistician and public health official and the entire scientific community is wrong and the pandemic is really not as bad as they say, John</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">bill w</span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 6:42 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><font size="4">Mr. Mystery Man Moderator please note, in the following I am just answering questions that the former list moderator has asked me:<br></font><br>On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:49 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i>> I wouldn’t want to live under the same rules New York needs. Would you?</i></blockquote><br><font size="4">Yes if the threat was global not local as it is in a pandemic. If astronomers discovered an asteroid the size of Mount Everest that would slam into the earth in 20 years I wouldn't want each individual city and village and hamlet deciding independently on how to deal with the situation, I'd want a massive coordinated global strategy to figure out how to divert the damn thing and I'd want Intelligent people <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">w</span>ith <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">lots of </span>executive ability<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>leading the effort. </font><br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i>> Besides that, I don’t trust the federal government. Do you?</i></blockquote><br><font size="4">No, I most certainly do NOT trust the current federal government of the USA.<br></font><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i>> Why?</i></blockquote><br><font size="4">Ah, well as to that I can't say. I can't say because some people on this list are allowed to get political and spin conspiracy theories like, every epidemiologist and statistician and public health official and the entire scientific community is wrong and the pandemic is really not as bad as they say, and some people are not. The atmosphere around here may change in a month or two after another 100,000 Americans have died of the virus, but currently I'm #1 on the "not" list so I can say no more on that subject.<br><br> John K Clark</font><br></div>
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