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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On Behalf Of BillK via extropy-chat<br><br>Subject: [ExI] England Covid deaths miscounted</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Thousands of England's virus deaths 'to be wiped off records due to counting mishap'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><a href="https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-englands-virus-deaths-to-22477213">https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-englands-virus-deaths-to-22477213</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Quote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Public Health England currently counts all deaths of people who have tested positive for Covid-19, meaning up to 10 per cent of those recorded could be wrong By Ryan Merrifield 06:48, 6 AUG 2020<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Public Health England currently includes all fatalities of anyone who has tested positive for Covid-19, regardless of whether their death is related to the disease.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Scientists noticed the error as early as July, leading to an urgent review, with some deaths on the official count happening months after someone was infected.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The mishap means all of England's 265,000 confirmed cases would in time be included on the toll, regardless of the circumstances around someone's death.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The numbers will be reconfigured so deaths are only counted if a person dies within 28 days of testing positive - like in Scotland and Northern Ireland.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>--------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>BillK<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Thanks BillK. Hmmm, 10%, that's the first time I have seen either a limit or an estimate on that number.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>In the USA, they acknowledge they count positive tests as covid deaths, with no 28 day limit. Over time, the count of those who were infected and recovered accumulates, particularly the aged, who we know this hits really hard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>The Mirror article calls it a "mistake" and a "mishap" but they aren't treating it as either of those here, and are apparently still doing it at least in some counties in California.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Next thing we need to know is how Sweden did it. UK and USA counted the Withs with the Ofs. UK is planning to stop, USA is not. Sweden never shut down anything, their numbers went down to nothing. What we don't know is if they are counting their Withs with their Nots. The Ofs are hard to prove, and the Withs are easy to determine: nearly everyone has a With to go along with their covid. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>So how does it work? I have occasional erectile dysfunction, which one might suppose could be fatal if one shoots oneself over it or perishes of an overdoses of Viagra (don't worry, I wont) and mighta had covid last winter (if so, I still have the antibodies.) If I perish of embarrassment in the USA, I test positive, died With covid and get counted. If I die of actual covid while touring the ABBA museum in Sweden, I died of embarrassment and don’t count?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Let's take that 10% number for a minute. If it is true, then we don't care really: the numbers are accurate enough for what we are doing. But how do we know the delta is 10%? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>If that number is true, it brings up another scary possibility: the USA and most other countries wrecked their economies by shutting stuff down, but are still having covid fatalities. Sweden didn't and they don’t. They have an attitude there: we are Sweden, home of the mighty Vikings, way the hell up here where winters are brutal, people are indoors a coupla months every year, we have an international airport bringing in everything, diseased proles from everywhere on the planet come to devour the meatballs and see the ABBA museum, we have a lotta flu up here, we deal with it, for we are SWEDISH, dammit! The flu doesn’t stop our Volvo factory!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Their problem was big in April and May, but isn't now. If that 10% number is right, we need to rethink our approach.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><img border=0 width=480 height=343 style='width:5.0in;height:3.5729in' id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D66BBC.74B65B60"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Anders or any Swedes present? Or anyone here up to speed on this? Vacationed there recently? Volvo drivers? ABBA fans?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>