<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 06:59, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_1612593042285348173WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] next county<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">Well Dylan, what would you do? Maybe we should have done this with the flu. How do you come up with an equation or something that balances economic loss with loss of life? How much is a life worth? Of course if we all stayed indoors no one would die of a lightning strike, eh? bill w<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The uncertainty in the covid death rate is one thing, but the uncertainty in the numbers who caught covid and recovered without incident, or who never knew they had it is even greater. Along with uncertainty in mortality rate we have still more uncertainty in how much damage this has done to the world economy.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">In my opinion, we need to focus on coming up with a realistic model for how much this shutdown is harming people. I have a tendency to underestimate this for I am a solitary old turd: not really a socialist at all. I get along fine with people but isolation doesn’t bother me much. However… I have friends who are going crazy from loneliness. I have friends whose lives are spinning out of control because their businesses are failing or their jobs are going away and they have no idea what they are going to do or where they will go.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I am retired, so I have it easy. My bride’s job was declared essential and on she goes. My son is prospering under remote learning. So I am a fortunate exception.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">But please keep this in mind: the shutdown isn’t an opportunity, it is a crisis. If businesses die, we die. It isn’t just in capitalist America, it is everywhere. It really isn’t an opportunity to transform anything, or if so, the transformer’s fondest wish would be to transform it to back the way it was before they seized the opportunity. It really is a crisis only. </p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The crisis is because there is a deadly disease around, making people reluctant to go about their normal activities. If the government ORDERED businesses to stay open under these circumstances there would still be an economic crisis, and perhaps an even bigger one. The experience around the world so far is that the economies of those countries which managed to suppress the infection rate best are recovering faster.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_1612593042285348173WordSection1"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"></p></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Stathis Papaioannou</div>