<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:46 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889WordSection1"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/bill-gates-on-covid-most-us-tests-are-completely-garbage/" target="_blank">Bill Gates on Covid: Most US Tests Are ‘Completely Garbage’</a></span></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889WordSection1"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:14pt">Spike, I wish you'd read the entire interview, and not just the headline, and tell me if you agree with Bill Gates or not.  I certainly do! Gate<span class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889gmaildefault">s</span> is not saying all Colvin 19 tests are garbage, just those conducted by the USA, because regardless of how accurate the test may be if it takes 10 days to two weeks to get the results, and not 15 minutes as in most other parts of the world, then the tests are, although perhaps of some historical value, completely useless as a tool for slowing the spread of the virus…</span></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I agree with that. </i></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">You do?!</font></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I have never seen testing as an effective tool for this.</i></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Then</font></span><font size="4"> you <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">don't agree with that, you </span>have just read the headline and not the article because Gate<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">s</span> talks about how testing is an effective tool for preventing the virus spread <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">IF it is not conducted in a bungled manner as the US has done. Well OK, he doesn't use the word "bungled", he's much too diplomatic for that, but it's perfectly clear what he means. </span></font></div><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889WordSection1"><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I haven’t seen these tests available at the drug store. </i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">I haven't seen suc<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">h a test in a drugstore either, at least not in a drugstore in the USA.</span></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889WordSection1"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I don’t even know where I would get one. </p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">Trump knows where to get them, he sees <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">such </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">virus tests</span> every <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">single </span>day<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">. </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">B</span>efore anybody <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">can </span>come into contact with Trump in the White House they must <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">first </span>take such a test<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">. Professional sports teams have use of such tests too, but of course the common people do not, at least not unless the common people live in a more advanced country like South Korea or Japan or Australia or....</span></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">><i> </i></span><i>Do you?</i></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Yes I do. The European Union has approved and has been using three different rapid COVID-19 tests as early as March:</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><a href="https://qz.com/1889478/why-is-the-us-so-far-behind-on-rapid-testing-for-covid-19/"><font size="4">Why is the US so far behind on rapid testing for Covid-19?</font></a><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889WordSection1"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889gmaildefault"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span><i>I know nothing and care nothing about the political leanings of Bill Gates,</i></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Bill Gates has always been very diplomatic and apolitical (a bit too much in my humble opinion), however in this most recent interview I detect an undercurrent of exasperation, it's not much but it's the most I've ever seen from him<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">;</span> nevertheless the man is smart as hell and I really think it would be worth your time to read the article. Perhaps Norman Borlaug could have beaten him but I don't believe any human being alive today has saved more lives than Bill Gates has, he's worth listening to.</font><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-size:18.6667px"><br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2757127282317244889WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>Nothing I have seen in this dataset challenges my world view in the least. </i></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">And I am not surprised in the least<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">.</span> I don't think <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">ANYTHING can change your worldview, not EVER, regardless of what new evidence comes to light. And I think </span>Thomas Bayes<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> would not approve.</span></font></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div></div></div></div>