<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 8:58 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-8716709860182763382WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> </p></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-8716709860182763382WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-8716709860182763382WordSection1"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><a href="https://theconversation.com/im-a-covid-19-long-hauler-and-an-epidemiologist-heres-how-it-feels-when-symptoms-last-for-months-143676" target="_blank">I’m a COVID-19 long-hauler and an epidemiologist – here’s how it feels when symptoms last for months<br></a> <br><a href="https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/08/12/1006602/covid-19-long-haulers-are-organizing-online-to-study-themselves/" target="_blank">Covid-19 “long haulers” are organizing online to study themselves<br></a></blockquote> </div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Here’s the money quote:  “As a social epidemiologist who deals with big data, I was certain it was a false negative.”<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>Nowhere in that article does the author say she has ever tested positive for covid-19. </p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">In March when she <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">started to get</span> sick the COVID-19 test was really lousy, at least the test used in the USA, and it had a very large false negative<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">. </span>She says "<i>What made matters worse i<b>n the beginning </b>was that my doctors were not certain I had COVID-19</i>"; <b>in the beginning</b> was four months ago, the clear implication is that the degree of her doctor's certainty had changed in that time, the USA test had certainly gotten a lot better, the rest of the world alway had a pretty good test. <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And </span>I<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">i</span>'s not like this is a controversial phenomenon, even the politically compromised CDC admits that:</font></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:1rem;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Open Sans",apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",arial,sans-serif;font-size:17px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"<i>S</i></span><i>ymptomatic adults who had a positive outpatient test result for SARS-CoV-2 infection, 35% had not returned to their usual state of health when interviewed 2–3 weeks after testing. Among persons aged 18–34 years with no chronic medical conditions, one in five had not returned to their usual state of health.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>COVID-19 can result in prolonged illness, even among young adults without underlying chronic medical conditions.</i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><i></i>"</span></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:1rem;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Open Sans",apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm?s_cid=mm6930e1_w" style="">Symptom Duration and Risk Factors for Delayed Return to Usual Health Among Outpatients with COVID-19</a></span></p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:1rem;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Open Sans",apple-system,blinkmacsystemfont,"Segoe UI","Helvetica Neue",arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></span></p></div></div>