<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Dylan:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div>Essentially, God--whatever that is--makes every choice at the beginning of the universe experiment. These may not be the choices of what does Dave eat for breakfast on Sunday morning but instead stuff like values of the fine structure constant and the geometries of special unitary groups. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I find it very hard to believe in individual free will, but I still believe that my actions are part of a specific experiment that contributes to the knowledge base of the universe.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In a sense I don't believe that God is implicitly omniscient but rather that said omniscience comes from the actual structure of reality. Sort of like Jorge Luis Borges' infinite hexagonal library (the name of which I forget.) God only has knowledge of what the being named me does because the knowledge of my doing of things that a being named me does is completely immanent within said being (me) and its doings. The '-science' is right here, so to speak. And I think it is literally science in the sense that all universes are experiments.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For what purpose? Entertainment perhaps (cf. Hindu concept of Lila or divine play) or maybe knowledge gathering from a super-reality. Which would also have a super-reality gathering knowledge on it through similar experiments. I'm a believer in turtles all the way down, I simply don't see any other way it could work out. There is no final heaven</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 11:02 Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I'm not sure I understand this concept, care to elaborate?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 10:57 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">There is a third option which I think is related to what Giulio is suggesting: the volition would take place at the beginning of the universe and apply to everything within, so the universe would be 'chosen' freely</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:05 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Others dislike Everett’s fully deterministic QM because it leaves no room for free will.</div></div></blockquote><div> </div><font size="4">There is no room for free will with any interpretation of quantum mechanics, or in classical mechanics, or in anything, because the idea of free will just makes no sense. Something either happens because of cause and effect or it doesn't happen because of cause-and-effect (aka it's random) and free will fans would not be happy with either. And so I fear free will fans are destined to be unhappy.<br><br> John K Clark</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><br></font><div><br></div></div></div>
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