<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Free will is a big bias. If some theory seems to take it away, we may reject it despite good data supporting it. Ergo, let's put the concept aside, because it is a negative bias, and get on with finding out just how things work in the crazy world (esp. crazy in quantum). bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:03 AM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I'm not sure I understand this concept, care to elaborate?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 10:57 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">There is a third option which I think is related to what Giulio is suggesting: the volition would take place at the beginning of the universe and apply to everything within, so the universe would be 'chosen' freely</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:05 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Others dislike Everett’s fully deterministic QM because it leaves no room for free will.</div></div></blockquote><div> </div><font size="4">There is no room for free will with any interpretation of quantum mechanics, or in classical mechanics, or in anything, because the idea of free will just makes no sense. Something either happens because of cause and effect or it doesn't happen because of cause-and-effect (aka it's random) and free will fans would not be happy with either. And so I fear free will fans are destined to be unhappy.<br><br> John K Clark</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><br></font><div><br></div></div></div>
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