<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 5:27 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Not predetermined does not necessarily mean random. </i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">Of course it does<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">!</span> </font></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">><i> </i></span><i>I claim that I CAN choose a flavor of ice cream or when to cross the road independently of the present and past states of the universe. </i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">You either chose to cross the road to get to the other side or you didn't, if you didn't then you made your decision for no reason, a.k.a. it was random. Something happening for no reason is after all what "random" means. </font><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Of course, since I want to stay alive, I would take the state of the world into account in deciding when I want to cross the road. </i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">And</font></span><font size="4"> you want to stay alive because of your <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">genes</span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">o</span>r <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">because of </span>your <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">environmental </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">upbringing</span> or for no reason whatsoever<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">.</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span></font></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> John K Clark</span></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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