<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 11:01 AM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>All actions are determined,</i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">Maybe maybe not, there is no law of logic that demands every effect have a <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">cause.</span></font></div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>but the ones that are said to be done freely are determined by different factors from the ones that are said to be done accidentally</i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">If all actions are determined <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">then</span> nothing is accidental<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">.</span> </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>or under duress.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">So people have free will if they <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">a</span>re able to do what they want to do<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">,</span> and <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">thus</span> people rarely have free will<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">. I am under the duress of gravity so I can't fly by flapping my arms although I'd like to, it sounds like it would be fun. </span></font></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div></div></div>