<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">it is one of those things that people without that instinct would</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">really rather not know.</span><font color="#888888" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br><br>spike</font><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><font color="#888888" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><font color="#888888"><b>This is the very reason I keep preaching about the word 'instinct'. Nominal fallacy, for one. OK - if you have the instinct you do it; if you don't, you don't. Can't get any more circular than that. So, sorry, you can't use instinct as an explanation. bill w</b></font></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 8:25 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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> On Behalf Of Keith Henson via extropy-chat<br>
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 12:40 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<br>
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>> Keith talks about evolutionary psychology...the puzzling instructions of<br>
our own feelings, somehow genetically encoded by evolution.<br>
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>...From capture-bonding, the easy to understand, nearly universal evolved<br>
human psychological trait.<br>
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>...Being captured by neighboring tribes ...fraternity bonding by hazing,<br>
and sex practices such as sadism/masochism or bondage/discipline."<br>
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>...Worse, than Spike's confused dogs.<br>
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Keith<br>
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People who don't have those instincts find it so puzzling why some women<br>
stay with abusive partners (I know he's bad to me, she wailed, but I looove<br>
him...) <br>
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When I looked into EP it sure makes a lotta sense, and explains why efforts<br>
to educate the victims out of those situations so often fail. Unless the<br>
training somehow understands the genetic basis of the behavior, it is<br>
destined to fail in a way analogous to local owners of malamute. That pooch<br>
is so forlorn and confused, doesn't understand what he is good for, until<br>
you put a harness on him. Then... he will yank your damn arm out of its<br>
socket, and keep pulling, even after his human has fallen and has been<br>
dragged for some distance, shouting "Rover, stop you stupid bastaaarrrrd!"<br>
Side note: trying to get a malamute to stop pulling at the leash is<br>
pointless. Far better to just get a good heavy bicycle and let him pull.<br>
You have never seen a happier dog than a malamute being allowed to do what<br>
his silly pea-brain tells him his ancestors have been doing for hundreds of<br>
generations and what he is for.<br>
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OK, well... getting a malamute to stop pulling is difficult. He loves to<br>
pull. He feels that is what he is for. Training away self-destructive<br>
feelings is also hard in modern humans who have the instinct to stay with<br>
abusive mates. They get too beat up. So... we kinda deal with it by having<br>
simulated recreational cruelty I suppose. Modern porno shops have all those<br>
mysterious things under the counter that one would hesitate to even have<br>
explained, not so much out of embarrassment (I am immune to that emotion)<br>
but that it is one of those things that people without that instinct would<br>
really rather not know.<br>
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spike<br>
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