<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:44 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Even if it's all predetermined - even if, say, reality is strong superdetermination - what did that predetermination?  That is the "you" that is making your choices, in that case. </i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">Yes, and if that something made the decision it did for a reason th<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">en</span> it<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">'s</span> a cuckoo clock, and if that something made the decision <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">it</span> did for no reason <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">then</span> it's a roulette wheel. </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Also, there do appear to be some truly random aspects to the universe, such as the precise timing of atomic decay.  There could be a free will behind those,</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">That makes no sense. If there's <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">ANYTHING behind the decision then it's not random.</span> Random means <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">an</span> effect without a cause.</font></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>This gets to the warehousing of criminals, if criminals are most likely to repeat offend right after they have done crimes and less likely to if forced to cool off in jail for a time.  Also, ideally the criminals can be offered opportunities to learn new skills</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">The best weapon <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">a</span>gainst crime is <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">just </span>time, people usually tend to get less violent as they get older<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">.</span></font></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></span></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> John K Clark</span> </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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