<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Researchers have found this true for world class performers as well. And psychotherapists believe it or not. Deliberate practice as it’s called and the amount of it is essential it turns out. </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 26, 2020, at 4:14 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Henry, a study was done at a big music school awhile back, and the only thing they found that correlated with performance skills was practice - no 'talent' showed up in the data. However, none of those students was or was going to be a world class performer and I wonder if there is some difference there between those students and the world class people. After all, we do know that some people are incredibly fast learners (but we also know that many prodigies don't turn out to be world class).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"> bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:53 PM Henry Rivera via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Research shows that being an elite performer and or athlete requires much more practice than not the non-elite assume. Much, much more practice. Muscle memory becomes reinforced, focus and concentration need tuning, automaticity starts to happen. The non-elite tend to assume that elites have some innate talent that requires no practice or development. But in-fact work put in seems to be a better predictor of their success. Similarly, the most successful artists historically have a correlation with the amount of works they created. </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 26, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Dave Sill via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 3:05 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Does anyone know why it is that pro athletes and, just for another example, classically trained musicians need to practice so much?</div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">My violinist friend said: "If I don't practice today, I know it. If I don't practice tomorrow, you'll know it. If I don't practice the next day, everyone will know it."</div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Could it be that rarely practiced skills representing certain brain areas get taken over by new concerns? I have no clue.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>These are very specific and unnatural skills and they need to perform them very well or they'll be replaced by someone who can. We know there are different levels of memory in the brain and none of them are perfect. Seems expected that complex and specific skills need to be constantly refreshed.</div><div><br></div><div>-Dave</div></div></div>
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