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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Human Fetal (sic) Tissue Research<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 15/09/2020 15:23, John K Clark wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 8:10 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=gmaildefault><i><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>> </span></i></span><i>So have this funded privately. If you accept government money you have to play by gove</i>rnment rules.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Spike, is there </span><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>ANY</span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> action the current Presidential</span><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>administration could take that you would not defend </span><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>w</span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>ith every fiber of your being?</span><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>That's not a defence, that's a work-around.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Ben Zaiboc<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi Ben, I don’t see having medical research funded by government if it involves fetal tissue. Every time that has come up it creates new problems and new roadblocks. This is what politics is all about: find ways to get this done in such a way to get those who are offended by this sort of thing off your back. They are partly paying for it, and their votes count.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So… a politician will find a way to work around direct conflict, just as a good general looks for ways to get the army around the other guy rather than face to face combat. A good politician knows that government funding is a trap; it comes with too many strings attached.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We can find away around this one easily. Have the fetal tissue donated privately and have the research a mix of funds so that fetal tissue research is not at all easy to distinguish from any other type of medical research.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>None of this has anything to do with my personal views on abortion. I find it most distasteful, but those who face that decision are the ones who make that call; there should be no laws regulating it in my view. There are plenty who disagree with me on that, and I respect their views too. There is no objective truth in politics, only points of view.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>So don’t defend. Work around. It is more peaceful that way.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></body></html>