<div dir="auto"><div>General mortality for equivalent patients has gone down a lot as time goes due to lessons learned in the health system. Also, when you don't have more really sick patients than you have Ecmo beds, the excuse for having a patient die really is gone. <div dir="auto">There are a "Sensitivo omnibus mortuus est" effect. Visible in a general reduction of all kinds of mortality and morbidity at the moment as of now. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Infection rates are difficult to interpret at the moment. Really the hard outcomes in hospitalised and dead are the only real data. </div><div dir="auto">There are as far as I know no second waves anywhere in areas that was hit hard in the spring.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Suscipit tempora temporum novorum, no-one said before, Google translate ftw :)<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">/Henrik</div><div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Den tis 29 sep. 2020 00:34Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> skrev:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Belgian docs agree with you. Please read this carefully if you are interested. The other lockdown skeptic paper I sent covers the same topics. It's not likely a new strain that is less lethal. It's bad tests inflating case numbers, combined with pre-existing immunity from cross reactivity with other coronaviruses we've already been exposed to. CV-19 burned through the kindling (elderly) and rarely kills someone under 60 without serious conditions like obesity/diabetes. It's why you're seeing a disproportionate number of CV-19 deaths in the African American population in the US (NOTHING to do with racism in the health care system as some garbage, formerly prestigious publications have asserted).<div><br></div><div>BTW, these crazy Belgian doctors also assert that HCQ/Azithromycin/Zinc is effective. Of course, John wouldn't be likely to take it if he was suffering from CV-19 because Trump promoted it.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/</a><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 6:25 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">This dataset seems to be talking even louder than the British data.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">It seems clear enough to me there has been enough time for the new cases in August to have slain these Belgians if it was going to.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">But now the proles seem to be surviving covid for some reason.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img width="715" height="454" style="width:7.4479in;height:4.7291in" id="m_5199725294928747659m_-8919947655838416020m_5910710088724784782gmail-m_-346967578740378574gmail-m_6928173740190500920Picture_x0020_1" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=99fcbbdbba&attid=0.1&th=174dadd21a70f98a&view=fimg&rm=174dadd21a70f98a&sz=w1600-h1000&attbid=ANGjdJ9lsjNejIyDlaasi54fErr0H_xvy9UfwzONUijFOYjC-Ax_A3k1gN5sQPJJUdUJfciogk2cTJxlnGEoxeS_6Q9VMeG6PaQOrQgBipyYViNZNKQHc20AcufEoog&disp=emb&realattid=174d6d367e68546ed1&zw"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img width="723" height="458" style="width:7.5312in;height:4.7708in" id="m_5199725294928747659m_-8919947655838416020m_5910710088724784782gmail-m_-346967578740378574gmail-m_6928173740190500920Picture_x0020_2" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=99fcbbdbba&attid=0.2&th=174dadd21a70f98a&view=fimg&rm=174dadd21a70f98a&sz=w1600-h1000&attbid=ANGjdJ_CBT5DOkvVLWDQKV2ddUyQLosSfdazAAUhMQXuEdX3hSrxc7MQYLRQZpmiJ_ftZS06k7oWXwd4W5sDGx3kNQXLxAH-7CXrXXYfRj49r0FgnKWHoPn4vnRPnOA&disp=emb&realattid=174d6d367e6935e6e2&zw"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">This is an early call, which might be wrong, but it looks like a second wave might be a lot less lethal, or a new strain has emerged, or the Belgians have gotten a lot better at treating this virus.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Other views please?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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