<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Well, that does sound something like what happens in a human welfare situation. Both Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams, conservative economists, agree with the following as principal problems among the welfare blacks:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">1 - education problems </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">2 - one parent, or no parent raising (grandparents in some cases), often caused by not wanting to lose welfare checks (real sticky problem, that)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">3 - racism in hiring etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Black males leaving children behind, focusing on themselves and not their family, failing to provide their children with good role models in how to get jobs, how to manage the education systems, are endemic.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">If blacks and whites with equal education are differentially treated by hiring businesses, then there is a racism problem. But if the blacks have a relatively worse school record, then it only makes sense to hire whites or some other 'race' with better education backgrounds.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">bill w</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:55 AM Dave Sill via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 11:32 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>The data is rather clear: if they do not have to fend and forage for every basic need, organisms can live much longer and healthier on average.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's not the point of the article or the experiment it describes.</div><div><br></div><div>Here's the interesting part:</div><div><br></div><div><p style="font-family:Montserrat;box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 22pt;line-height:22pt;color:rgb(56,56,56)"><i>At first, the mice did well. Their numbers doubled every 55 days. But after 600 days, with enough space to accommodate as many as another 1,600 rodents, the population peaked at 2,200 and began to decline precipitously—straight down to the extinction of the entire colony—in spite of their material needs being met with no effort required on the part of any mouse.</i></p><p style="font-family:Montserrat;box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 22pt;line-height:22pt;color:rgb(56,56,56)"><i>The turning point in this mouse utopia, Calhoun observed, occurred on Day 315 when the first signs appeared of a breakdown in social norms and structure. Aberrations included the following: females abandoning their young; males no longer defending their territory; and both sexes becoming more violent and aggressive. Deviant behavior, sexual and social, mounted with each passing day. The last thousand mice to be born tended to avoid stressful activity and focused their attention increasingly on themselves.</i></p></div><div>-Dave</div></div></div></div>
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