<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">A problem, not 4th amendment, with universal access to medical records is, of course, insurance companies. I think they are now barred from denying insurance to those with pre-existing conditions (?), but there are many other things in a record that could cause them to require high premiums (and why are they called 'premiums'?)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 1:02 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="gmail-m_6057565816646503435WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] puzzling<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">Hey Spike et alii - did you see the article on Estonia and how interconnected they are? Any doctor can view your medical records, with your permission I am assuming, so if you have to go to the emergency they can know all about your medical history. Now if that were required, we'd have privacy rights trouble with it, no?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">bill </span><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">w<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Hi BillW, no trouble at all: requiring such a system isn’t allowed in the US. Medical records are covered under 4<sup>th</sup> amendment privacy rights. We yanks have the option of having our medical records completely accessible of course, and I can see the wisdom of doing that.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">As far as legal infrastructure to this, the AIDS pandemic of the 80s brought a lot of this into the open. In 1988 diver Greg Louganis conked his head on the diving platform and bled into the pool. He didn’t tell anyone he had been diagnosed with HIV. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">The huge debate was over whether Louganis had a moral and ethical obligation to tell the officials: in my opinion he did. But did he have a legal obligation? No. The 1988 games were in Seoul South Korea, which has nothing analogous to our 4<sup>th</sup> amendment rights, but he is a US citizen, so… no.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Regarding the notion of having some kind of universally-accessible medical records, consider that one might be taken to the ER unable to tell the doctors anything (how well I get that (I was, back in December (all is well now (apparently it wasn’t covid.)))) It would have big advantages if the medics could get to the records quickly. In my case they did. I made it thru the front door, sat in the nearest wheelchair. Someone came up to me and said “Are you Mr. Jones?” I said: “I am, and I have insurance bigtime.” They took it from there. Computers are great. Love em. I don’t have an embedded computer ID chip (are those approved for humans?)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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