<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:44 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">><i> </i></span><i>I simultaneously pondered that black hole merger announced in<br>
early September. That one too has me leaning toward the simplest solution:<br>
that these two black holes formed in the plane of an enormous accretion disc<br>
and grew to their absurd size by absorbing material from that disc,</i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">It's difficult for a small <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">B</span>lack <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">H</span>ole to grow into a large one in the limited time available by that method because as matter starts to spiral into the hole it gets very hot and produces a lot of x-rays that push much of the remaining gas away. Maybe in the very early universe it is formed by direct collapse from a cloud of gas to a Black Hole without ever becoming a star or even getting very hot because in some ways it's easier to make a large Black Hole than a small one because, although you need more matter<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">,</span> you don't have to concentrate it as densely to make a large black hole as you do <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">to </span>make a small one. For example if you wanted to make a one solar mass Black Hole you'd have to concentrate matter so it had a density 1.8*10^16 times greater than water<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> and have a radius of 3 km</span></font><span style="font-size:large">, but if you wanted to make a 11 billion solar mass Black Hole you'd only need to concentrate matter so it had the density of air at sea level, it would then have a radius 2 1/2 times that of Pluto's orbit and form a Supermassive Black Hole.</span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="">But I have a hunch we're not gonna really understand how they formed until we know what dark matter is, after all there's five times as much of it as there is normal matter so it must play a part in the formation of a black hole. </span></font></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></font></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style=""> John K Clark </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span></font></div></div></div>