Can you drop a link about Canonizer?<br><br>I'm only familiar with Aragon, which can give you a liquid democracy. In terms of your issue with governance, liquid democracy's always give people a way to sell their tokens and move on. You pretty much can't force consensus so token governance by liquid democracies just accepts this. My experience in this area tells me you just have to have totally different expectations than normal governances.<br><br>Is anyone opposed to just spinning one up and seeing how it goes? I can make one called "Extropian DAO" and we could go from there. If it's a dud, then it's not that big of a deal.<br><br><br><br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Oct 28, 2020, 2:02 PM, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat < extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote"><br><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">I am <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_004f0bcc-b20d-42e7-af4a-4da688124cef">definitely</span> on board with this. What are the next <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_ab36b77d-dd5f-43f7-9de5-bc78c636b384">steps</span>? <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_d0d4500c-fbec-4e0b-8696-93bc46cd35c6">Also</span>, <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_befa77f4-ecfb-4058-b716-e8d9924b7df0">in my opinion</span>, any DAO requires a
consensus <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_6e0e6c4b-5bc6-4d34-9af6-512720842dc4">building</span> <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_aed96d37-c646-4e58-9803-fc1c3c4243a3">system</span> like we can do with Canonizer. Once you <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_730ccd17-4e4e-4d7b-a175-a12d41534d5d">start</span> <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_5966fd6d-ff34-4ff2-b69f-6f1a37e320f9">collecting</span> people for any
<span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_e6b800e6-cc94-4e6a-926b-8c0566658ce7">project</span>, you <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_baa8c424-b115-487d-b7d9-4e155cc6bfcf">discover</span> differences of opinion which polarizes and fractures the
collective, before you even get <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_7593f154-80f8-4a49-a206-6aed1a804817">started</span>.
The camp tree <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_5050f8f4-9c62-4db4-a5eb-11c830f9d7cc">structure</span> in Canonizer <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_66f0c177-b14c-44b3-b053-475ced03c1f3">enables</span> you to <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_cb216ff1-aee5-4050-a518-396e8483de76">push</span> these <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_f0cd2a7c-9afa-4a90-ae60-ac8337f9ebbc">ideas</span>
(<span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_079e83f4-1d35-4efd-8ce6-8c45701f502b">always</span> less <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_ca4f9338-347c-47ea-9c58-6c89e7235615">important</span> that what <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_bb346bcf-e6fb-4997-933a-9063700a73e3">everyone</span> <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_aae84ea0-bb29-49ae-8455-863c7161e39e">agrees on</span>) down into supporting sub
camps, out of the way of the <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_71f9c989-1ded-44f8-8ad5-791a04826f7b">consensus</span> you are <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_1c7af9bb-291a-45e3-a070-e37195e3fc4c">building</span> in the super camp.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Let’s <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_27c4710b-91e1-408f-80de-577a400a713b">brainstorm</span> some of what we’d <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_325f7112-3c24-4f2e-8151-3a5d86b75a3e">like</span> to do
and <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_a9cc8e8f-7baa-4de7-8ffb-cd38279a5ccc">indicate</span> who is on board with sucvh <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_3249d2d8-085f-4a4d-8af2-d22715fedf37">ideas</span>.
If we get <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_0c337be1-37f1-4421-a42c-d0e76a6e443c">started</span> with a <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_96f3f930-428a-47bc-ab4d-488bc21720d7">collection</span> of <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_ad8b1952-ef72-42a2-8587-af086bfc4f41">ideas</span>, we could <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_fe4d25be-367c-4b73-a991-f263a44caaf6">create</span> a <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_15575e48-21bf-4862-8882-576f8b1bfce6">topic</span> on
canonizer, with a camp for each <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_2b28014f-1e46-4d98-ba64-cd02870932dd">proposal</span>, in a way that <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_706d695e-9cc9-4c69-b455-592e7cb4be24">people</span> could rank which
ones they’d <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_ffe6d692-291d-464a-8d32-0b537f9e1ab0">like</span> to <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_bab0853d-f1a0-4d41-b9d2-1861e8e48586">support</span>, and how, and so on. Here are <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_53dff7ab-69fc-4be2-92b2-874e32eec78e">a few</span> <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_2c88e816-d534-487a-803c-6da52e221c7d">things</span> I’d <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_60160c0d-b6f9-4364-8ef2-963f416f2b58">like</span> to do:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">1. We need communicate to society, <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_a3899cba-174e-4f5f-8eaa-6fd63f1cea67">especially</span> billionaires,
that achieving immortality and <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_49468656-170a-4b45-92d7-579f692af2d5">ability</span> to <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_51bceb21-aa0e-4729-86d7-7d85e2c40040">redesign</span> our bodies so we can <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_e49d485c-1012-4b39-a92b-118dd6f82ddc">survive</span>
in space, without space suits, before we make <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_cf4fa56d-ab84-44fa-9eb1-bf663871f88b">significant</span> investments in space. We need to have <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_3ecb6d67-8acd-4aa9-a9df-12fa484e6314">lots of</span> <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_5f37c7bb-8e3f-40f8-b92f-f82b640eeb1d">cheap</span> <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_26471374-7502-44a6-af4a-f826f0cb7494">copies</span> of
ourselves, <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_98f9f784-83cf-47cf-9624-27291e74b720">specifically</span> <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_3a7ac067-ab81-4d9d-94dc-c8fb99611a03">designed</span> to <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_e1d630a3-ef00-4fa6-8aa3-e2bd07343686">survive</span> in space, and on mars, without
space suits.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">2. <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_0d54ad7d-8e7b-44bd-a973-2163ae9275bb">Promote</span> cryonic <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_75abcad4-93d9-406b-b9e4-8c53e066dc48">preservation</span>, and assistance
<span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_264187b5-efd0-4280-8b2b-e9c0b2b20ef7">programs</span> to <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_4a1797aa-7b20-4d18-8574-8f12f4665776">encourage</span> this.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">What other <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_c0a365dc-d265-4f5b-aaee-e9ff8e3b07f7">ideas</span> do people have? <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_fd6937ab-3c87-4a3d-b244-ddc086e780b1">Anything</span> more <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_069a4e37-aa62-4d9b-aea7-6f2d7fad8f15">specific</span> than just <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_53c3a048-796e-47ad-b808-67d308827031">convincing</span>
people of <span class="wordtune_suggestion wordtune-replaceable-0-1-48" id="wdt_b30e8900-a49b-4f2a-9473-39a53b622ae3">things</span>?</span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 3:27 AM John Grigg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I want in! <br></div><div><br></div><div>I feel like I'm in an Oceans Eleven movie... : ) </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 6:26 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">What if we make a novel cryptocurrency and fund ourselves with that? Given the history of the list, it would make sense.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 3:11 PM Dave Sill via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 12:38 PM JF <span id="gmail-m_-8099157492151075655gmail-m_2673499067772154930m_1471648485362214728wdt_a010b1eb-c0e7-4db2-a6fa-271a12456fc4">via</span> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>As mentioned in a previous post, it would be interesting to put together an Ex-DAO. I assume the DAO would fund certain missions that could push the Extropian narrative globally for people who want to contribute and have a voting stake in these narratives. Once created, it's totally up to the DAO to do what it wants. Each user must stake to enter the DAO, and in return, they receive voting rights. They may at any point burn their voting rights as a percentage of the money in the current vault, so at any point, you may leave if you don't like the direction of the DAO. Personally, I think this would make this chat a bit more interesting and put some action to some of the news topics we discuss. Maybe we start becoming part of the news?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Is anyone actually interested in this? How much money could we realistically raise? I have some experience in the setup of this and it doesn't take much to put together.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm interested. I just don't have a feel for what it would be used for. If it requires a lot of money to do anything useful, that would undoubtedly make it harder.</div><div><br></div><div>-Dave</div></div></div>
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