<div dir="auto">What even was the original post that prompt this thread?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 7:25 PM spike jones via extropy-chat<br>
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>> On Behalf Of Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat<br>
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> Subject: Re: [ExI] outing myself<br>
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> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 3:37 PM Dave Sill via extropy-chat<br>
> <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 5:36 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br>
> <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> To Dave and Dan and whoever: it was a sendup, a parody, a satire -<br>
> overstating indeed! Sorry if you are miffed.<br>
> ><br>
> > We're cool. I was just a bit surprised.<br>
><br>
> >...We're cool too. (I mean Bill W and I. No conflict with you, Dave.:) No<br>
> need to worry about me being thin-skinned.<br>
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> >...Regards, Dan<br>
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> The joke's on me! I totally fell for it, and I am still down there: I agree<br>
> with the literal commentary of BillW's parody. I really do think Finnegan's<br>
> Wake is a literary joke. It's a novel-length version of Jabberwocky, but<br>
> far less clever and less meaningful that Lewis Carroll's popular poetic<br>
> wordspew. Joyce played a big practical joke on the literature professor<br>
> class, and the silly goofs took the bait.<br>
><br>
> The above isn't satire or parody, or even self-effacing humor (ja I know, I<br>
> do stuff like that all the time (but not this time.)) I really am calling<br>
> bullshit on James Joyce. I am really claiming that book is almost entirely<br>
> meaningless, and if literature professors wish for me to slog thru it to try<br>
> to find meaning, I will cheerfully wordspew back to them that Finnegan's<br>
> Wake is a brilliant vision of the future where confusion mingles with hope<br>
> for uploading into a silicon-based simulated existence, cleverly disguised<br>
> as utter nonsense.<br>
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No one's forcing you to read it -- much less interpret it. :)<br>
<br>
My guess is it's not a literary joke in any sense you or others here<br>
mean. That said, Joyce's work abounds in humor, sometimes dark, and<br>
jokes. It's not like he's hidden that.<br>
<br>
But Bill W's joke wasn't merely to attack _Finnegan's Wake_ -- which<br>
is apparently the go to whipping boy for serious literature here --<br>
but all modernism, postmodern, pre-modernism... And he went on to<br>
attack poetry and music too. (With music, I kind of subscribe to the<br>
'if it sounds good, it is good' view. But what doesn't sound good to<br>
me I can sometimes be brought around to with the proper attention and<br>
'training.') But he admits now that this was all just a 'sendup' or<br>
'parody' or 'satire' now. But of whom?<br>
<br>
If you parody or sendup someone, that means you imitate them in a<br>
mocking manner, no? Just holding forth on views they disagree with<br>
without being serious isn't a sendup or a parody as such. Instead it's<br>
better to call it a 'put on' or teasing. At least that's how I would<br>
classify what Bill W says he did. (I usually avoid doing this online<br>
because it's too easily misinterpreted. And teasing can cross the line<br>
for some people. I try not to be a bully online or in person. I'm not<br>
saying Bill W did that, though some teasing often seems to aim at and<br>
achieve just that. I've had a lot of caffeine today...:)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Dan<br>
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