<div dir="ltr">Does that mean that symphony concerts are classical?<div><br></div><div>I ask because there have been an increasing number of symphony concerts of video game music lately - and I suspect you would not define most video game music as "classical". See for example <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrpWBgB6oz8">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrpWBgB6oz8</a> .</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I don't think anyone would say that anything by Tschaikovsky was not classical. One of the few works that is truly popular with people who would never attend a symphony concert. Which is sad - I would love to play some music for those doubters that I guarantee they would like. Most people don't know that tunesmiths like Rachmaninoff and Chopin wrote music that was used in many movies from the 30s and 40 mainly. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:32 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Does Nutcracker count as a classical opera? That's my go-to example of a stage play where there are no lyrics one must understand to understand what's happening: the plot is presented through costumes, or sometimes through programs explicitly handed out to the audience so they can follow along.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 12:17 PM Adrian Tymes <<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">As I noted, you originally limited it to the past 20 years. I take it as obvious that "classical" is mutually contradictory with such a recent time frame, so I thought you were seeking to step out of strictly classical stuff.<div><br></div><div>Ironic that you note your experience with opera. I have much the same problem - but in my case, I perceive that one is meant to understand and enjoy the words as the primary thing, with the tonal presentation merely being an enhancement. If I can not understand the words, then I can not understand what people are doing on stage - and they're usually not dancing, or otherwise visually presenting in a way that would go along with audio where voice is more of a musical instrument than a conveyor of meaning. For this reason, I tend to shun classical opera, as I can not enjoy it. (Where the voice is just an instrument, I can enjoy that. Where the words are clear, I can enjoy that. But not where there are words that are supposed to be understood - and where this is more important than the music, if any - but the vocals are incomprehensible. This does not seem to be due to any identifiable hearing deficit, which leaves me wondering if people who claim to enjoy classical opera are able to understand the lyrics as sung - or perhaps if they have cheats, such as printouts or prior knowledge of the lyrics, which they forget to mention because "any true fan should already know these things", which is a type of barrier to entry that I have seen in multiple other fandoms.)</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tAbhrDUrqM" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tAbhrDUrqM</a> is an example of "has voice but only as an instrument, not words" that I listen to sometimes. (Partly since I have a minor personal connection to the game this is part of the soundtrack of.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>I sometimes listen to classical purely instrumental music, but only for "good + purely instrumental", not caring about "classical".</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 11:13 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Adrian -I listened. Classical?? You listen to this sort of thing on a daily basis? Have you ever been in therapy? This is music that is primarily about the words. The music was probably made up when the band got together to put words to music, much like commercials and Nashville country music. My hearing deficit does not permit me, usually, to even understand the words, regardless of volume. So it's like opera music sung in Italian: I really don't care what is being said. It's mostly soap opera anyway. The joy is in the sound of the voice and accompanying music -using the voice as just another instrument which could even be singing lalalalala. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog was a notable production within that timespan, that conveyed a lot but not all of its plot through its songs. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_hlaXcniY&list=PL78B0B3p_qZQPO8VVNTRf6wSDP9ebIoTQ" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_hlaXcniY&list=PL78B0B3p_qZQPO8VVNTRf6wSDP9ebIoTQ</a> has the playlist (plus two non-song entries, which you can ignore for this exercise).<div><br></div><div>The second LEGO Movie might be interesting to do this exercise with too. Soundtrack at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUEbWo1uIrg&list=PL5uTL9oHnU9gbfDveKd1kVKcXwydBb-1i" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUEbWo1uIrg&list=PL5uTL9oHnU9gbfDveKd1kVKcXwydBb-1i</a> .</div><div><br></div><div>Granted, neither of these is particularly "old", but you limited it to the past 20 years.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 9:42 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">You know, I have had this thought: what if we heard the movie music before we saw the movie? After seeing the movie, we will have visual images to go with most of the music, memory allowing. ("I go to the hills....." Julie Andrews in an Alpine meadow) The questions are: can the music stand alone? Will your like or dislike of the scenes the music accompanies influence your liking or disliking of the music? I suppose a test could be listening to old movie music whose movie you have not seen. Or maybe someone in the group can tell me a movie they liked, and I can listen to the score - or part of it, at least, should be on Youtube - an invaluable resource.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I have seen practically nothing in the last 20 years or so, so please recommend a score. (thanks Stuart)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 7:56 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Bill Wallace wrote:<br>
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 3:36 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br>
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> I am at the point where I think I know just about every piece up until<br>
> about 1900 or maybe 1930 that I like. So after that I am looking for<br>
> new music to buy. I get the American Record Guide and buy CDs<br>
> based on reviews and have a success rate of maybe 10%. The<br>
> others I give away.<br>
><br>
> So, I am interested in finding out from other classical music lovers<br>
> who, since 1900, has become a favorite whose music I might like. If<br>
> a composer is famous I very likely know all I need to know about<br>
> him or her.<br>
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I would get the musical scores from the Star Wars movies performed by <br>
the Los Angeles Philharmonic. In so far as classical music can be <br>
considered a genre instead of a musical period ending in the 1800s, <br>
then John Williams is one of the best modern classical music <br>
composers. He is why the Star Wars movies are "space opera" instead of <br>
"space theater" or "space story".<br>
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Stuart LaForge<br>
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