<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Sure all of those examples are true, as is very obvious to me and everyone,  but that's not what I meant. I mean:  if you take a group of extremists of either right or left (and now I am not sure what is meant by 'left') will they be more authoritarian than less extreme people?  And/or does becoming more extreme make one more authoritarian?  That's the data I want.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">  We have identified the left as towards socialism and communism, but the left is traditionally liberal. There is nothing liberal about China or Russia.  'Liberal', I remind you, comes from 'freedom - liberty'.  </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I am just confused.  Very.  bill w<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 6:50 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Quoting Bill Wallace:<br>
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>> But you are correct in that extremists on both<br>
>> the left and the right become increasingly authoritarian the further<br>
>> out on their respective wings they are.<br>
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> Can I get a link to that data, please?  bill w<br>
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Examples of far right-wing authoritarianism:<br>
Nazi Germany- <a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/article/13553" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://muse.jhu.edu/article/13553</a><br>
Fascist Italy-  <br>
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/education/2001/jun/25/artsandhumanities.highereducation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/education/2001/jun/25/artsandhumanities.highereducation</a><br>
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Examples of far left-wing authoritarianism:<br>
Soviet Union-  <br>
<a href="https://www.grunge.com/172246/the-worst-part-of-the-ussr-isnt-what-you-think/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.grunge.com/172246/the-worst-part-of-the-ussr-isnt-what-you-think/</a><br>
People's Republic of China-  <br>
<a href="https://www.cfr.org/article/communist-chinas-painful-human-rights-story" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cfr.org/article/communist-chinas-painful-human-rights-story</a><br>
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Can you think of any historical or current counter-examples of a  <br>
fascist or communist state where the people were free?<br>
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Stuart LaForge<br>
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