<div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 3:50 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_7250988282823829031WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Ja, your idea (I think) is to use a simulated Zoom meeting where the avatar is animated but looks like a 3D meat-world person? Or did I misunderstand what you have in mind?</p></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto">I actually think a Tweekie (you remember 80's Buck Rogers?) or BB8 (recent Star Wars) would be task-specific hardware. For my preference, a Wall-E with a Nintendo Switch for a chest would be sufficiently mobile to automatically get itself into viewing position and present whatever image. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I wanted more of a pet style companion or wizard's familiar. I can understand needing a heavier duty machine to provide lifting assistance for mobility. The problem with large humanoid robots is that they have gorilla-strength and less understanding. Even if they're engineered to be safer than the auto-autos, perception that T-1000 will kill us all is difficult to overcome. </div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_7250988282823829031WordSection1"><div dir="auto"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Computer graphics hipsters, how close are we to having animation good enough to pass for a person on a Zoom window?</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto">You clearly don't play enough xbox/playstation/computer games.</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_7250988282823829031WordSection1"><div dir="auto"><p class="MsoNormal">>…The barrier to listen-bot (which may well be alexa in a teddy ruxpin) is that nobody will talk to it any more than they've ever talked to an inanimate object…</p><p class="MsoNormal">I disagree sir. Plenty of us poured out our hearts to Eliza back in the 70s, knowing full well we were talking to ourselves. This would be better than Eliza in a way: it could call on encyclopedic knowledge of the world thru the internet and it could remember stuff we told it last time.</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto">Who is "us"? You and I are pretty happy with endless streams of text. "Normal" people are more fickle. Even Eliza bored me fairly quickly. That's why I like the human+AI hybrid... so people can nudge the algorithm when necessary and the AI can cover for us when we're inattentive.</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_7250988282823829031WordSection1"><div dir="auto"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">>…I think the solution is that the device must be conversational…</p><p class="MsoNormal">Ja. A critical design feature is that it would remember what we told it last time. Then we start telling the same story a second time, it could decide to listen again or have it ask questions, knowing where the discussion will go.</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto">This is my main focus for AI: to distill the flood of detail into essential facts. Unlike the unintelligible weights of a neural net, I'm hoping to have higher lever level abstractions "fact trees" that humans can manipulate (in VR) - or think of it like tieing a specific fly to fish in the unfathomably deep knowledge lake, the fish that you reel-in (real-in?) is the answer/reply to the question/query represented by that specific fly. (Wordplay is fun, innit?)</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_7250988282823829031WordSection1"><div dir="auto"><p class="MsoNormal">>…This is where I know the GPT-n and some text to speach is probably "good enough" for a viable product. However, if this project is an excuse to get started, the "getting to know you" bot could build a knowledgebase... and the telepresence operator interface could navigate those topics... imagine if the next caregiver can enter a room and continue conversation where the last caregiver left (with AI providing fill-in conversation in the interim)</p><p class="MsoNormal">A lot to digest in that one paragraph. Consider the terabytes of inane “conversation” available on teen chat sites. Perhaps we could set up something that would somehow mine and catalog the terabytes of inane conversation on ExI and MENSA, then feed that back to the user. That sounds kinda cool, and certainly a good reason to archive our inane conversations here: a data source for future chatbots.</p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto">Terabytes isn't as much as it used to be. It gets smaller every day. </div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_7250988282823829031WordSection1"><div dir="auto"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> Lotsa good stuff in your post Mike, thanks. I am the scarecrow from Wizard of Oz: I would get on this and figure it out if I only had a brain. </p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto">How many rockets did you build entirely by yourself? I think this project plan requires a team right from the start. </div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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