<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 20 Jan 2021, at 16:09, <a href="mailto:extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">On 20 Jan 2021, at 07:30,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><br class="">On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 2:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <<br class=""><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Epidemiology is part of medical science, the methods to contain epidemics<br class="">are not invented by politicians.<br class=""><br class="">-<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">### Epidemiologists are against lockdowns but politicians are willing to<br class="">pay a lot to some epidemiologists to provide justifications for increasing<br class="">their political power, and there are always clowns willing to lie.<br class=""><br class="">Rafal<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Do I even need to YODA this? "Epidemiologists are against lockdowns?<br class=""><br class="">To paraphrase: A quarantine, by any other name, helps keep the airborne<br class="">droplets out of your smeller holes.<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">### At what cost, boy, at what cost?</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>At almost no cost, child, at almost no cost.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Maybe that’s your problem Rafal, you are framing things in terms of cost instead of health outcomes.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Epidemiologists since forever pointed out that quarantines don't work once</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">there is widespread community spread of a highly infectious agent. This is</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">received wisdom, basic epidemiology and yet you behave as if I was saying</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">something outrageous.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">You’ve got it backwards, community spread is the signal for further and stricter quarantine measures, not to despair and start coughing on Grandma.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You see, by disrupting the regular action of the community, you disrupt community spread.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I will close with some of your wise word to REFLECT on; ? ...there are<br class="">always clowns willing to lie.?<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote>### Your meaning is unclear here. Would you mind explaining it to me?<br class=""><br class="">It means, look in a goddamned mirror Rafal.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Omar</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>