<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 3:24 PM Omar Rahman via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 20 Jan 2021, at 16:09, <a href="mailto:extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org</a> wrote:</div><br><div><div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br>On 20 Jan 2021, at 07:30,<span> </span><a href="mailto:extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org</a><span> </span>wrote:<br><br>On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 2:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <<br><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>Epidemiology is part of medical science, the methods to contain epidemics<br>are not invented by politicians.<br><br>-<br><br><br><br>### Epidemiologists are against lockdowns but politicians are willing to<br>pay a lot to some epidemiologists to provide justifications for increasing<br>their political power, and there are always clowns willing to lie.<br><br>Rafal<br><br><br>Do I even need to YODA this? "Epidemiologists are against lockdowns?<br><br>To paraphrase: A quarantine, by any other name, helps keep the airborne<br>droplets out of your smeller holes.<br><br></blockquote><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">### At what cost, boy, at what cost?</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>At almost no cost, child, at almost no cost.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### The lockdowns killed about 50 - 60 thousand people in the US so far but failed to make any measurable difference in Covid mortality.</div><div><br></div><div>As I said, you need to read up before you talk about stuff.</div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------------ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><div><br></div><div>Maybe that’s your problem Rafal, you are framing things in terms of cost instead of health outcomes.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Epidemiologists since forever pointed out that quarantines don't work once</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">there is widespread community spread of a highly infectious agent. This is</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">received wisdom, basic epidemiology and yet you behave as if I was saying</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">something outrageous.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>You’ve got it backwards, community spread is the signal for further and stricter quarantine measures, not to despair and start coughing on Grandma.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### In other words, if you do stupid, and it backfires (60k dead and no reduction in Covid deaths, see paragraph above), just double up on stupid.</div><div><br></div><div>Read up, again.</div><div>------------------------------------------ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><br></div><div>You see, by disrupting the regular action of the community, you disrupt community spread.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">I will close with some of your wise word to REFLECT on; ? ...there are<br>always clowns willing to lie.?<br><br><br></blockquote>### Your meaning is unclear here. Would you mind explaining it to me?<br><br>It means, look in a goddamned mirror Rafal.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### So you say I am... a lying clown? A racist lying clown?</div><div><br></div><div>Oi, vey.</div><div><br></div><div>Rafal</div></div></div>