<div dir="ltr"><div>I found it sad how in the Philippines dogs are seen in a painfully utilitarian way. My neighbors keep some of their dogs in relatively small outdoor cages, where the canines are used as sentries. Yes, the animals are fed and taken for a short walk each day, but that is it. The poor dogs face hour after hour after hour locked in those cages, and sometimes I hear them crying at night, which breaks my heart. When I brought this up to my neighbors, they shrugged their shoulders and said that I talk like a privileged American.</div><div><br></div><div>John<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 1:39 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 20px;width:865.143px;font-size:medium"><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:uq" style="font-size:0.875rem;direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px"><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:vp" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);overflow:hidden;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Reprehensible beasts are cats, vicious predators, merciless. Dogs just like to be with their peeps. spike</span></div><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:vp" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);overflow:hidden;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Granted </font><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif">that they are killers, they are a lot of fun, and not only as kittens (always get two; they are hilarious </span><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif">together). In those very rare times I have been without a cat I immediately went and got a couple. </span><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif">Almost all of them are introverted, like me. So I leave them alone most of the time and they leave </span><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif">me alone most of the time. Every cat I have ever had had a distinct personality - more than dogs I would say. We call them pets. I do like to pet them and make them purr. I do like </span><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif">to give them people tuna (only once a week - the proteins are too strong for their kidneys if eaten</span></div><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:vp" style="overflow:hidden;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5"><font><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">too often). "They are just substitute children." That person does not have a clue as to how much you </font></font></div><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:vp" style="overflow:hidden;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5"><font><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">can love a cat. Of course in my case, I would love goats, weasels and more (no snakes - too cold).</font></font></div><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:vp" style="overflow:hidden;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5"><font><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:vp" style="overflow:hidden;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5"><font><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">And if you think that dogs are not killers, just starve one and see the edible population of the neigh-</font></font></div><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:vp" style="overflow:hidden;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5"><font><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">borhood diminish rapidly. But, you say, even well-fed cats will kill. True - just doing their job and getting some different protein. My cats are older and usually bring their prey into the house (often </font></font></div><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:vp" style="overflow:hidden;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5"><font><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">moles) and hardly ever eat them. - just to play with. Occasionally we find remains behind the sofa, sometimes we </font></font><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif">have a mad chase around the house, with the cats watching curiously (do we think we are cats?), and </span><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif">manage to catch a few They did hide though when we were chasing a possum. bill w</span></div><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:vp" style="overflow:hidden;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;outline:currentcolor none medium;padding:10px 0px;width:22px;margin:2px 0px 0px"><div id="gmail-m_3550457468331748631m_691282691155442971gmail-:zh" style="background-color:rgb(232,234,237);border:medium none;clear:both;line-height:6px;outline:currentcolor none medium;width:24px;border-radius:5.5px"><img src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif" style="background: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0) url("https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/rk56yMiutfyWhePesndvAU3E8VFff_WnIUbTu95DwR_XVNJLLKULh-yuRgU5Rwh_VOG8rKV8MesZ_4xvqnr9KRtCnxtXTsJf4zOvbOTdWXxm8n6nkPYw2ZLXtGibu5JPTW1VoQ=s0-d-e1-ft#https://www.gstatic.com/images/icons/material/system/2x/more_horiz_black_20dp.png") no-repeat scroll 50% 50% / 20px; height: 11px; opacity: 0.7; width: 24px;"><br></div></div></div></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;border-bottom-left-radius:1px;border-bottom-right-radius:1px;padding:0px;width:auto;background:rgb(242,242,242) none repeat scroll 0% 0%;margin:0px"></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 4:00 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
>...> On Behalf Of BillK via extropy-chat<br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] rent a dog<br>
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On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 at 21:23, BillK <<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com" target="_blank">pharos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Cats do play that game! It just takes a little bit of training to get <br>
> them used to the harness.<br>
> Loads of videos.........<br>
> <<a href="https://duckduckgo.com/?q=taking+cats+for+a+walk&t=ffab&atb=v154-1&ia" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://duckduckgo.com/?q=taking+cats+for+a+walk&t=ffab&atb=v154-1&ia</a><br>
> r=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos><br>
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> (And you have to put up with all the strange looks you get). :)<br>
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> BillK<br>
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>...But the project of 'Guide cats for the blind' was a bit of a disaster.<br>
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BillK<br>
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Think of all the different jobs humans have found for dogs: search and<br>
rescue, varmint control, guide, pulling sleds, tracking, military, herding<br>
sheep, guard, guiding the blind, catching frisbees, police, racing, hunting,<br>
emotional support, drug detection, of course companionship and endless<br>
entertainment, and that's just the things I can think of easily. <br>
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What the heck have we been able to get cats to actually do for us? Catching<br>
mice and companionship (after a tepid fashion (when they are in the mood.))<br>
They do catch mice which is certainly useful but one gets the feeling their<br>
motive is not to benefit the kibble-suppliers, to which they appear mostly<br>
indifferent. Rather they do that single useful activity only because it<br>
allows them to play their favorite game: Kill Something.<br>
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My apologies cat-lovers. I completely understand: dogs don't generally do<br>
so well indoors, but cats do. A cat is better than the other choices if one<br>
wishes another life form in the home and one does not care for yappy little<br>
lap dogs. <br>
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spike<br>
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