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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">William Flynn Wallace wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">"I
don't have any figures, but my guess is that a car that has 20 or 30 K
miles is a more reliable car than a new one because it has had its kinks
worked out, if any. But I pity the person who is rather naive' about
cars and their salesmen, and is buying a used car. Never mind the car
itself- most people do not know how to negotiate. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Oh
bring back home finances, and home economics in schools and teach
people something they can use their whole lives and save beaucoups of
money."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Or a person could simply do a google search on how to negotiate/haggle with used car dealers! After reading two or three articles on the subject, they would have at least some idea of how to do it successfully. But of course having a big brother/father/uncle/friend/mom who knows how to do it and shows them firsthand, cannot be underestimated.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">John</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 2:20 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I have never bought a lemon. I did get cheated on a Toyota that had 60K miles, or so I thought. It was in great shape. My mechanic said that it was probably 160K.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It's been some decades since I bought off a lot. When I did, I got a 30 day warranty or I did not buy the car. I buy from individuals and get it checked out by a mechanic. Latest buy: 2002 Town Car, 32K, not one thing you could see wrong with it. Looked new. Little old lady owner, literally, and garaged. Had to replace tires. $7000.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I am truly a picky person but with a professor's income and pension, I cannot afford to be really picky.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">As for lemons, there are new cars that are lemons too. A used car owner has usually found out before I buy the car what lemony things went wrong and fixed them (or tried to sell it to me without fixing them, which my mechanic catches).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The only real problem I have ever had, aside from the car with the 'adjusted' mileage, was a Town Car that kept not wanting to crank. (Twice I had it towed in and then it refused to NOT crank. aAArrrgggghhhh!!!). I replaced two computers on it, which did not fix it, and sold it and lost money on the deal. Not a bad track record for buying cars since 1968.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I don't have any figures, but my guess is that a car that has 20 or 30 K miles is a more reliable car than a new one because it has had its kinks worked out, if any. But I pity the person who is rather naive' about cars and their salesmen, and is buying a used car. Never mind the car itself- most people do not know how to negotiate. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Oh bring back home finances, and home economics in schools and teach people something they can use their whole lives and save beaucoups of money. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:10 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 6:29 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Adrian might know the real story.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>Nope, sorry. I heard something like that, but I haven't been tracking Tesla closely until recently.</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 7:04 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I am willing to put up with a couple of dings here and there and maybe replace the floor mats.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You are. Some aren't. They can pay more for a new car, to compensate for their more picky tastes.</div><div><br></div><div>There's also reputation: they think new cars are more reliable than used. "Used car salesman" - someone who pushes lemons and tries to hide the lemon nature - is a stereotype for a reason, though it gets exaggerated (especially in states that enforce lemon laws).</div></div></div>
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