<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) in this manner, but it is far from flawless, for that process tends to identify third party people as universal foes. That doesn’t seem right to me either. spike (let me respond later to your other concerns)<u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">I think of it this way: fear flattens the curve, making outliers nearer the average (stimulus generalization). At the extreme, everyone is seen as an enemy, and not just potentially. Combine this with schizophrenia and you get the guy in the Texas tower (also could have been his temporal lobe tumor, discovered on autopsy). In lab animals it is nearly impossible to get rid of a fear-based learned response. The rat, for example, may jump hundreds or thousands of times to, he thinks, avoid the shock, when in fact the shock has been turned off. You can hold him there and prevent the response, but then he goes into shock - shock shock you would call it! bill w</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> </span></p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 10:49 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="gmail-m_-656435627336008445WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 6, 2021 8:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] This is my last post to the Extropian List<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">Hey Spike - it works like this: suppose you are very right wing. That means that fear is your main motivator in the political realm </span>…<span style="color:black"> To attack this point of view is just to make it stronger. I see no reason why this might not hold true even if a person is left wing. Elicit enough fear and this is the way it works.</span> <span style="color:black">bill </span>w<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Ja. There is a level of subtlety at play in our times which I think is important. We have heard the term “dog whistle” words and terms. In our polarized times in the US, we are well aware of the existence of these terms and even patterns of thought. We do IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) in this manner, but it is far from flawless, for that process tends to identify third party people as universal foes. That doesn’t seem right to me either. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">We Libertarians have those too: we talk about details of the constitution a lot.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Here’s another one for you. Assume someone brings up the topic of guns. Any actual knowledge of how a gun works, any actual technical knowledge of the topic in our world is nearly universally interpreted as indicating right wing sympathy. Anyone who has a lot of technical knowledge on the topic is highly suspect, regardless of that person’s actual political sympathies.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">One step further please. Suppose one recognizes that the speaker is using a lot of specialized terminology and responds not at all, even if one thinks one knows what is meant. Silence is interpreted as disagreement. Non-response is a negative response. This is most disturbing, for if silence is violence, it cannot be allowed. Orwell was right again.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">spike <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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