<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Censoring books, banning books - signs of the apocalypse to me. I wonder about pornography. Why is it obscene? Why does obscenity get banned? Yes, I know from teaching that the U.S. is a moderately repressive society where sex is concerned, but just who is harmed and how? Children. Prove to me that observing obscenities causes harm. You cannot. Europe and especially Scandanavia have looser controls there and they have fewer abortions, fewer sexual diseases, more use of birth control, and so on than we do. You can, I think, conclude that pornography has positive educational value, which is probably a good thing because any kid can get access to it, or his friend can. Parents have always been too shy to talk about sex except in a 'birds and bees' manner. So now they are turning over their parental responsibilities to the internet. Good or bad, that's the way it is. Polls in my sex classes showed that most students wanted to get their sex education from their parents. How many of them did? Very few. Irrational fears. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 12:22 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><br><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…One step further please. Suppose one recognizes that the speaker is using a lot of specialized terminology and responds not at all, even if one thinks one knows what is meant. Silence is interpreted as disagreement. Non-response is a negative response. This is most disturbing, for if silence is violence, it cannot be allowed. Orwell was right again.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">bill w - I don't understand this paragraph. Please expand (or unload as the current terminology says</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Unload: I wouldn’t be using that term anytime soon. {8^D<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">An example of the notion that silence is violence: BLM mobs going down the street screaming at white outdoor diners “SAY HER NAME!” at which time I might answer “whose name?” followed by “why?” both of which are interpreted as white supremacy.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Another example, in that capital riot, I didn’t post anything about it to Extropolis, which John interpreted as condoning it. I had condemned the BLM riots, which (to me) are the same thing: people were attacking federal buildings. Why does anyone need my commentary? I did observe that creating doubt in the election process will escalate this kind of thing, and I still think that: regardless of what I personally think about that 2020 election and the January senate races, the process itself caused plenty of people to lose faith in the election process.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">In the Extropolis discussion, I was accused of racism for calling out the BLM riots but not the DC riots. But I never said anything about race in either instance. It is hard to miss that plenty (in some cases perhaps most) BLM rioters are white. But I didn’t post anything about that because I am embracing the notion that there is only one race, and anyone is free to choose one’s own ethnicity and culture, regardless of physical characteristics.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Back to the original comment: silence is violence.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">In the case of the BLM riots, these were sometimes called “mostly peaceful” as stuff burned. They were called a form of speech. But at the same time, the actually peaceful people with their MAGA hats and signs were accused of violence to others’ sensibilities. In that case, violence is speech and speech is violence.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">I may have to go back and read my Orwell. I read all that stuff in my 20s - time for a re-read</span>.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Those are the magic words sir. Plenty of people need to re-read Orwell. I noticed it has dropped off the required reading lists for high school literature classes, along with Bradbury’s 451F.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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