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On 06/02/2021 18:46, bill w wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">But what do you
do when you have limited resources and overpopulation? </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">The Tragedy of
the Commons. Yes, we should all respect others' rights and </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">that solves a lot
of problems, but people are greedy and take more than their</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">share. Result:
strife and war. We have hardly ever been without it. So I </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">think that
getting rid of greed and taking only your share would be even
better</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">than following
all the advice of the libertarians. Impossible, you say? No
more</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">so than getting
everyone to respect the rights of others, completely and
consis-</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">tently. bill w</div>
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Limited resources and overpopulation are the same thing, as it's the
share of resources per person that's important.<br>
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What do you do? increase the share of resources per person until
no-one could possibly use all the resources available to them. I see
two ways of doing that: 1) drastically reduce the population 2)
drastically increase the resources (aka 'abundance economy'). I know
which I would prefer.<br>
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This (limited resources) is one thing among a few that we starting
to realise can be changed. Some things have always been true in the
past, and it's difficult for many people to see, or accept, that
they are not laws of nature, that they can, should, and almost
certainly will at some point, change:<br>
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Resources are limited (and the consequent inevitability of strife
and war)<br>
Ageing and death are inevitable<br>
The only sapient creatures are human beings<br>
Inteligence is limited to organic brains<br>
There is only one 'me'<br>
Human nature is always the same<br>
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There are probably others that I haven't thought of.<br>
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In the long run, maybe the answer to Ivor's question lies in all of
these.<br>
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Ben Zaiboc</pre>
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