<div dir="ltr">Nick Bostrom is brilliant, but he /is/ an academic. That means that, at the end of the day,<div>A ) he's paid by the published word, and </div><div>B ) he has a [probably unexamined and unconscious] deep-seated distrust and [culturally-inherited] contempt for non-academics, and </div><div>C ) he has a deep-seated [and again, probably unconscious and unexamined] opinion that academics really /should/ be running everything.</div><div><br></div><div>Academic pronouncements in general, and these in particular, should always be seen in the light of these important background facts.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 10:08 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 8:16 AM Dave Sill via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">How does Bostrom know that these "black balls" exist? Sure, there are technologies capable of destroying civilizations. But technologies that unavoidably destroy all civilizations? Maybe they exist, but how could he know? How could he know that all the technologies we've deployed so far are not black balls?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed, what if the fear of such a black ball is itself the only true black ball? That is, the only way civilization can actually end is if it talks itself into ending over worries of what might happen.</div><div><br></div><div>There is some evidence to suggest that this is the case. Look what happens when the precautionary principle takes hold in regulators: existing problems don't get tended to, the base of people coming up with new ideas also turns out to be the base of people sustaining current technological bases so trying to shrink the former population shrinks the latter, and generally the area is worse off until years after the phobia passes. </div><div><br></div><div>Bostrom speaks of "easy nukes". We are now in "easy bioweapons". And yet, we are not seeing entire cities devastated. Bostrom might want to consider why that is. (The answer, in part, is that even with "easy" WMDs, you still need some degree of technological sophistication - which is generally at odds with being truly homicidal. Those who are learned enough to actually make WMDs are also learned enough to know that destroying major parts of the world won't reduce suffering for, or otherwise truly help, their own people.)</div><div><br></div><div>The "freedom tag" would not accomplish the intended safety. It would, inevitably, miss people actually making weapons; in practice, it would be all about the abuse, and deliver little if any actual safety. Bostrom contemplates that resistance would diminish after a few cities are destroyed; he fails to realize that cities would continue to be destroyed even with the freedom tag, and proponents would just say it had not been sufficiently implemented yet - while jaliing and silencing anyone who produces evidence that it is not working. If those implementing this tag also thought we might have reached a point where innovation could be about to produce a civilization-ending technology, the resulting oppression would guarantee mass starvation and death, and a lack of solutions to climate change (most notably among other potential civilization ending problems), resulting in the extinction of humanity.</div><div><br></div><div>By publishing this article, Bostrom has made it ever so slightly more likely that civilization will worry itself to death.</div></div></div>
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