<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Ignorant and/or stupid question:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Modern physics supports Relationalism, with</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Quantum Mechanics arguing that particles have a wave-particle duality</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">and strings having a shape and direction but only when observed.</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:small"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">How do they know what it is doing when not observed?  bill w</font></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 5:07 PM BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 at 13:43, Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat<br>
<<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Didn’t work that well for me:<br>
> <a href="https://philosopherai.xyz/2c1b0c9c-d448-411e-a05c-532ed501f613" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://philosopherai.xyz/2c1b0c9c-d448-411e-a05c-532ed501f613</a><br>
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It seems to be a personal website, sometimes too busy, please try later.   :)<br>
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> What is substantivalism?<br>
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> Substantivalism is a position in the philosophy of mathematics.<br>
> It states that numbers and mathematical objects have real existence.<br>
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I now get different results for substantivalism.  Wonder why it changes???<br>
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What is substantivalism?<br>
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The term substantivalism describes a broad category of metaphysics<br>
where an object's properties and nature determine its identity. In<br>
this school of thought, objects are distinct and separate from the<br>
outside world.<br>
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It is contrasted by Relationalism which argues that objects have<br>
relational identities. Modern physics supports Relationalism, with<br>
Quantum Mechanics arguing that particles have a wave-particle duality<br>
and strings having a shape and direction but only when observed.<br>
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This response seems to relate to <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationalism" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationalism</a>><br>
"According to Newton’s substantivalism, space and time are entities in<br>
their own right, existing independently of things. Leibniz’s<br>
relationism, on the other hand, describes space and time as systems of<br>
relations that exist between objects".<br>
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BillK<br>
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