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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 27, 2021 12:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><br><b>Cc:</b> William Flynn Wallace <foozler83@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] restoration-ready<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Oh, don't tell me - you are one of 'those' - sunny disposition people, making everyone around them sick of you (and with envy as well, I reckon). Think of the people in AFrica, in Bangladesh, in downtown San Francisco - get your empathy going and try to think like them. Eat bad food, TAke up smoking cigars, make your wife mad at you. Probably won't work. bill </span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>w<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Billw, she knew how I am when she married me. We are Eeyore and Tigger.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I had a thought on this today after I wrote the Despondex post. Recently I posted about a worry I have had about uploading: what if an upload can think but not feel?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Someone here posted that these two cannot be separated: a thinking being is a feeling being. I see those two types of thinking as being more orthogonal to each other, but I might be wrong on that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>An idea occurred to me. We know that sometimes two separate traits co-evolve in such a way as to reinforce each other or drive each other. Perhaps human intellect drove emotion, then emotion drove intellect. It could even be fashioned into a mate selection scenario: deeply feeling people were more desirable as mates, and the offspring of deeply feeling people were capable of higher intellect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Another take: what if… we go with the well-known observation that comfortable people accomplish nothing. Uncomfortable people writhe and squirm, changing things trying to be comfortable. If humans were becoming the moodiest of beasts, then humans would be the most restless, which might drive technology, in order to increase the likelihood that our offspring would survive. Technology enabled humans to expand territory and produce more food, then later to preserve food, which enabled more developed brains, more intellect, more emotion. In that view, three human characteristics co-evolved: emotion, intellect and mastery of technology.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>