<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Adrian, I think that I am just too emotional about this issue. I have no doubt that tech can keep up with growth. I just hate it. I don't want any more jungles and trees and habitats of our fellow creatures to give way to concrete and condos. I wish we would just stop growing now. Maybe people can live in or on the ocean - that would really help. We already have the vestigial gills. Maybe it would be easy to activate them. I knew a girl who had an infection in her gills. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 12:25 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 9:39 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Other countries are also concerned about low birth rates. What is the world supposed to do, just get bigger and bigger no end?<br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I understand about fewer young people to support old peoples' social programs, but growth and more growth is unsustainable.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Incorrect - at least over the next few centuries. Lots of people confuse "to INFINITY" with "realistic near-term growth". More people confuse "we've never had this many before" with "we can only have at most roughly this many". The carrying capacity of the Earth - not even getting into space colonization, which will take decades to develop but seems likely to start being available later this century - seems to be much larger than current use, given the vast majority of Earth's surface that is currently essentially unused by humanity, especially the potential to expand sustainable aquaculture. (If you've ever read sci-fi where a bunch of food came from algae - well, kelp are algae, with many varieties already under extensive commercial production, with uses including food. And that's just kelp.)</div><div><br></div><div>Granted, infrastructure (including mining & energy) will need to expand to support more people - but there will be more people to expand it with. More importantly, there will also be more automation, over time, to expand it with.</div></div></div>
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