<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Henry, this is my area and I should be contributing more to it: attitude change, persuasion, attitude formation, resistance to attitude change, conformity, compliance, obedience, and so on. Will finish that religious book and try to put together a post. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 3:31 PM Henry Rivera, PsyD <<a href="mailto:henryriverapsyd@gmail.com">henryriverapsyd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Is this just the Darwin effect playing out? Nature weeding out from the genepool the “stupid” and/or “pretty average” or whatever their nonadaptive problem is in this case? If so, we will be collectively better off as a result ultimately, no? I’m asking opinions on this, not necessarily endorsing this to clarify. </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 18, 2021, at 3:57 PM, SR Ballard <<a href="mailto:sen.otaku@gmail.com" target="_blank">sen.otaku@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">I never called them intelligent either. I’d say they’re pretty average. <br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jul 18, 2021, at 3:35 PM, John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 2:00 PM SR Ballard <<a href="mailto:sen.otaku@gmail.com" target="_blank">sen.otaku@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Not stupid. </i><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4">Well let's see,<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> they all have sufficient information to make an intelligent decision, in fact they have better information in this case than you or I do because they know </span>from visceral<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>first-hand experience <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">that </span>COVID-19 can be a very serious disease<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">,</span> and they have observed <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">that </span>every single one of their fellow COVID-19 patients in the emergency room hospital are unvaccinated<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> just like themselves, and yet even after all that they were STILL unable to make an intelligent decision; so they must be lacking something, and the only thing I can think of is intelligence. </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Do you really want to call such behavior smart, is that the hill you want to die on? </span></font></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I don't think dreaming up lame excuses for people </span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">who insist on turning their bodies into petri dishes that cultivate viruses and generate mutations<span class="gmail_default">,</span> some of which <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">might end up being</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> even more virulent than the current </span></span>Delta variant<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">, demonstrates broad-mindedness, and it certainly doesn't help those very stupid people </span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">or </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">s</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">ociety at large</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">. Logic will never convince them to get the vaccine because logic never played a part in their decision not to get it, but if logic doesn't work maybe social stigmatization will shame them to do so. Thus I firmly believe the moral thing to do is to give these people all the respect they deserve.</span></font></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">John K Clark </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font size="4"><div><font size="4"><br></font></div>MOUNTAIN HOME, Ark. — When the boat factory in this leafy Ozark Mountains city offered free coronavirus vaccinations this spring, Susan Johnson, 62, a receptionist there, declined the offer, figuring she was protected as long as she never left her house without a mask.<br><br>Linda Marion, 68, a widow with chronic pulmonary disease, worried that a vaccination might actually trigger Covid-19 and kill her. Barbara Billigmeier, 74, an avid golfer who retired here from California, believed she did not need it because “I never get sick.”<br><br>Last week, all three were patients on 2 West, an overflow ward that is now largely devoted to treating Covid-19 at Baxter Regional Medical Center, the largest hospital in north-central Arkansas. </font><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4">Mrs. Billigmeier said the scariest part was that “you can’t breathe.” For 10 days, Ms. Johnson had relied on supplemental oxygen being fed to her lungs through nasal tubes.<br><br>Ms. Marion said that at one point, she felt so sick and frightened that she wanted to give up. “It was just terrible,” she said. “I felt like I couldn’t take it.”<br><br>Yet despite their ordeals, none of them changed their minds about getting vaccinated. “It’s just too new,” Mrs. Billigmeier said. “It is like an experiment.”<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span></font><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span></font><div><br></div></div></div></div>
<p></p></div></blockquote></div><br>
</blockquote></div></div>
<p></p>
-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "extropolis" group.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:extropolis+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">extropolis+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To view this discussion on the web visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/extropolis/CAJPayv0yNRosNM-2Yzd%2BTeUUOdN6Jt8YnM-Z6Sa0Cn%3D4aKdP9A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/extropolis/CAJPayv0yNRosNM-2Yzd%2BTeUUOdN6Jt8YnM-Z6Sa0Cn%3D4aKdP9A%40mail.gmail.com</a>.<br>
</div></blockquote>
<p></p>
-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "extropolis" group.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:extropolis+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">extropolis+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To view this discussion on the web visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/extropolis/2337C712-3FAA-4F9C-89C1-905FEA315B7E%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/extropolis/2337C712-3FAA-4F9C-89C1-905FEA315B7E%40gmail.com</a>.<br>
</div></blockquote></div>
<p></p>
-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "extropolis" group.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:extropolis+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">extropolis+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To view this discussion on the web visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/extropolis/D806CCE4-A103-4247-9603-FEF37571A984%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/extropolis/D806CCE4-A103-4247-9603-FEF37571A984%40gmail.com</a>.<br>
</blockquote></div>