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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 4, 2021 11:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Adrian Tymes <atymes@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] portable toilets, was: RE: Watch robots make pizzas from start to finish at an automated pizzeria<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 10:38 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Adrian there is no legal structure will would support putting homeless shelter eschewers into a mental facility.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>…Right. I am proposing to create one.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The problem that just won’t go away is that cities and counties can (at best) squeeze the urban campers out to places along the sound walls of interstate freeways. That makes the encampments primarily the state government’s jurisdiction. I have a hard time imagining the state of California creating amendments to its constitution which would solve that problem. They will sooner arrange one-way bus tickets to the former tourist mecca of Venice Beach (RIP.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Pressuring the home-free onto the interstate introduces a new risk: urban campers will go up on pedestrian overpasses and hurl stuff (including themselves) at drivers below. This can be partially solved by building fence guards:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=fence+guards+for+overpass&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=07hHC7QbVYl0IM%252CD9nhFTVhCXjT1M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSKONI0Lr2AK5WkN6M4OOHwv_r26g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwir98PtgJjyAhXGup4KHdK-BP8Q9QF6BAgSEAE#imgrc=07hHC7QbVYl0IM">https://www.google.com/search?q=fence+guards+for+overpass&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=07hHC7QbVYl0IM%252CD9nhFTVhCXjT1M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSKONI0Lr2AK5WkN6M4OOHwv_r26g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwir98PtgJjyAhXGup4KHdK-BP8Q9QF6BAgSEAE#imgrc=07hHC7QbVYl0IM</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The finer mesh will cause the malicious or mentally compromised actors to resort to smaller projectiles perhaps, steel balls, pebbles, enough to shatter windshields but insufficient to cause fatalities.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The problem with creating a homeless high-rise in SF (or anywhere else in California) is that environmentalists and Native Americans have grown quite highly skilled in finding ways to prevent buildings from going into place without huge sums of money changing hands. Businesses have that. Homeless advocacy groups do not. Governments will not.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It is easily foreseeable that the homeless problem will continue to spiral out of control until previously-inconceivable solutions will be pressed into service. An example of this will be turning places like Darwin California into relocation destinations for those found in urban camping situations.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>