<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:small"><span style="font-size:14pt">But we aren’t having desperate war bond drives now.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:small"><span style="font-size:14pt">BillW, what changed please?<font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p><font color="#888888" style="font-size:small"><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14pt">spike</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:14pt"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">How do you get people interested in over 20 trillion dollars of debt? A war they can understand. People are dying. The enemy is winning.The debt has no urgency about it. Thus the one word answer to you is: complacency. Part of that is living for the moment. How many of us have adequate retirement money? Small number, I think. That future is just too far off for people to imagine. So in the end, it's a failure of imagination. AGree?</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:14pt"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:14pt"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">bill w </font></span></p></font></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:43 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="gmail-m_8432999821963042995WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a> <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 6, 2021 10:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'ExI chat list' <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Cc:' <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [ExI] US ‘failed miserably’ in wargame reportedly against China attack on Taiwan<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>….</b> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] US ‘failed miserably’ in wargame reportedly against China attack on Taiwan<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"> Then what?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(136,136,136)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(136,136,136)">spike </span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:rgb(136,136,136)">Of course you know the answer: outgo has to equal income. bill </span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">w<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…Ja. But how does that happen please sir? The US national debt is well-known, the deficit is well-known. …What part of that argument is not perfectly clear please? Anyone? Anyone? Beuuuullerrrr… spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">BillW, there is an excellent movie that came out several years ago called Flags of Our Fathers. It was a war movie and is rough going, but it isn’t only about that. There is a companion movie called Letters from Iwo Jima which in some ways is even better, that same struggle from the Japanese POV. Both excellent films.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">In Flags, much of the drama happens in the states, where the four guys who raised the American flag over Iwo were paraded about for PR. But one of the four was killed in subsequent fighting, so they substituted another guy who suffered a mental breakdown as a result.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">The reason I mention it is that the people back home were desperate to get Americans to buy war bonds. The US military had guys in the field under attack in the Pacific, yet funds were so low they couldn’t mount effective attacks. So… the flag raisers encouraged Americans to buy war bonds to finish out the war.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">The US is now spending money and going into debt faster than it was during the war. But we aren’t having desperate war bond drives now.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">BillW, what changed please?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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