<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 12:19 PM John Grigg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;border:0px;outline:none;margin:0px 0px 1.25rem;padding:0px;font-variant-numeric:inherit;font-variant-east-asian:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;line-height:1.75;font-family:Graphik,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(80,86,102)">“A human AGI without a body is bound to be, for all practical purposes, a disembodied ‘zombie’ of sorts, lacking genuine understanding of the world (with its myriad forms, natural phenomena, beauty, etc.) including its human inhabitants, their motivations, habits, customs, behavior, etc. the agent would need to fake all these,” Raghavachary </p></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto">So Hawking's body became a prison, limiting him from "normal" human stuff.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Would we have had the benefit of his mind without that body or without that specific circumstance?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think it's important to ensure that our "new definition" of intelligence does not exclude actual humans. Ex: we could inadvertently revoke human status from comatose patients. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It seems to me like much of the "AGI isn't real" blah blah is in defense of human superiority in the face of our losing that apex-thinker status. (Or that somehow humans have an all-important soul that machines will always lack)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We need to admit that we're still eating and abusing other animals that show signs of intelligence... and we're starting to imagine AGI being the apex predator in the digital world. We're becoming prey... for a hunter we're still building. </div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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