<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">Mental cases: who is a mental case? It must be defined in legal terms before it can be enforced by legal means. You are the most qualified person here to answer the question, being in the biz and a professor of that discipline. spike</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:24px">(Henry, I hope what is below represents the past. I hope that there are newer ideas, which I hope you will share with us.)</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:24px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:24px">Spike, it's impossible. Legal theories are based on knowing right from wrong (a 19th century standard) ,which standard is also applied to the mentally retarded -an unfortunate standard in both cases. Even severely mentally retarded people have the basic understanding - stage 1 Kohlberg - it is wrong if you get punished for it (or right if you get rewarded). This is recognized as a moral stage. Yet society gets their underwear all in a knot when the mentally retarded come to trial for a capital offense. "They don't know what they are doing. They can't tell right from wrong." Totally wrong and misguided. I have worked with patients as low as IQ 25.</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:24px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:24px">Who can predict with any accuracy what a mentally ill person will do, or even is capable of doing? No one. We usually know what they can or will do after they have done it. Then some come forward, including parents, who say that they warned the police about their son (rarely daughter). But the police have their hands tied - no legal authority to do anything. At this point in time an impossible situation that really does need answers. Personally I would favor a bias that takes away guns from people with certain diagnoses - paranoid schizophrenia at the top of the list. And yet most of them don't do any harm to others their whole lives. It is hard enough for psychology to predict group statistics such as averages. It is impossible to accurately and reliably predict individuals.</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:24px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size:24px">I am aware of the definition of an automatic weapon. Those guns which fire one bullet for each pull of the trigger are just about as dangerous. bill w</span></font></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 11:01 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="gmail-m_8849567699574593854WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>…</b><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">Bottom line: I support guns up to but not including automatic weapons for everyone except mental cases and felons. You?</span> <span style="color:black">bill </span>w<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Billw, these discussions go off the tracks because of a misunderstanding or misuse of terms. For instance, most people think an AR-15 is an automatic. It isn’t. The AK-47 is not an automatic either, and neither of them are assault weapons (a term used often but incorrectly (an assault weapon is an automatic.)) An automatic fires continually as long as the trigger is held down until the ammo is exhausted. This definition does not apply to a pistol or handgun, because those cannot be continuous fire: they couldn’t be controlled.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Regarding felons: I definitely do oppose their right to bear arms. They forfeit that right forever by committing a felony. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Mental cases: who is a mental case? It must be defined in legal terms before it can be enforced by legal means. You are the most qualified person here to answer the question, being in the biz and a professor of that discipline. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Usually felons forfeit the right to vote. No guns and no voting for felons. If no guns for mental cases, are mental cases allowed to vote? How do we determine who loses their right to vote, based on their mental state?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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